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Re: Please tell me this is a nutty idea so I will stop looking at this boat.

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What worries me is - is a blown head gasket the beginning of this boat's problems or the end? The last buyer walked away after the survey, and I assume he/she was also offered the same cut in the price.

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If you can get a copy of the survey, do so- that will answer a whole load of unknowns.

There are many many boats in the same price range and same LOA range that are ready to go today in your area. Place a wanted ad on craigslist and see what comes out of the woodwork.


All that being said, if it is simply a blown head gasket (evidenced by being hard to start but starting and running, with low compression, no compression, white smoke- if it is hard to start but runs, with black smoke, the problem is rings, valves, or valve seals) It is a relatively simple fix on a volvo diesel- certainly a lot simpler than replacing the head gasket on a DOHC gasoline automotive engine. If you can build Ikea furniture, you can apparently read a manual, so you should be able to fix a head gasket.... and it is a good idea to learn to fix a head gasket.

Replacing a head gasket is certainly cheaper and simpler and less time consuming than installing an outboard mount and outboard and remote controls to the cockpit and a new gas tank, etc., etc...
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Replacing a head gasket is certainly cheaper and simpler and less time consuming than installing an outboard mount and outboard and remote controls to the cockpit and a new gas tank, etc., etc...
...not to mention what that does to the beautiful lines of that boat.....

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Did the owner know the head gasket was blown when he accepted the offer from the first buyer? If he did and didn't disclose that I would start to look at the boat with an electron scanning microscope. There may be other issues. The boat does look clean, maybe a bit too clean. Did the blown head gasket allow coolant into the chamber which maybe lead to hydro locking and possibly to a bent rod. Sails in good shape? I'd low ball it by about $5k, he doesn't want two boats.
Good question. In a separate ad on the Cape Dory message board he says the blown head gasket came up in the survey during the sale. On the other hand, the boat was very reasonably priced, so maybe he did know before the survey. Or maybe he just doesn't want two boats.

If a blown head gasket is easy to fix, why wouldn't the owner fix it instead of cutting the price $4000?
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Re: Please tell me this is a nutty idea so I will stop looking at this boat.

Because many owners don't have the skill, or inclination, or time or interest or don't realize that, as daunting as it is to essentially decapitate an engine, it is not a technically complex job.

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Re: Please tell me this is a nutty idea so I will stop looking at this boat.

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Can she fix a head gasket? I don't know.
Well, considering that is a crucial part of the equation, I think you'd better ask her.

Then, plan on getting your own survey before you buy, and be sure to get a qualified mechanic to do an engine survey as well. That way you'll know what you're getting into.

The bottom line here is, once you have the engine fixed (either DIY or by hiring someone else), will it still be a price you can afford? If the answer is no, obviously you walk away.

The one thing you do NOT want to do is buy the boat now, and plan on getting the engine fixed sometime down the road "when you can afford it." What will happen is that the boat sits, doesn't get used much (if at all), yet continues to eat away at your cash reserves as you pay for insurance, dockage or mooring, other maintenance, etc. That's a formula for spending, in the long term, way more than you ever wanted to.

Good luck.
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CD is a blue water boat.. by your stated experience, I'd say don't go for it. You won't be happy and the boat won't be "happy" unless it's on the ocean. On the Bay, it would be a slug.

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And since no one else said it, if this helps, this is a pretty poodr choice for the Chesapeake.


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Check that spares are available. The head or block could be cracked. Assuming the engine is original then it is 33 years old and spares may well be in short supply or out of stock totally.

Also my spidy sense tells me that it is not going to be just a head gasket. They are about $30 and it takes 1 - 2 hours to replace assuming nothing else is wrong. A $4k drop for a head gasket.

Hmm plenty boats with running engines out there.
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Re: Please tell me this is a nutty idea so I will stop looking at this boat.

It is a
Volvo
engine.

Unless you like being frustrated and paying exorbitant amounts for engine parts don't do it. I'd sooner take a cd 30' with an Atomic 4 gas engine than an old Volvo diesel.

cd 30' is a nice looking boat but the draft is a tad on the deep side for some parts of the Chessy.

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And since no one else said it, if this helps, this is a pretty poodr choice for the Chesapeake.
.. actually, I think Denise beat you to it!!!

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