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Re: Please tell me this is a nutty idea so I will stop looking at this boat.

One question about the head gasket issue. Is changing a head gasket on a diesel inherently any more difficult than the same job on a gas engine? I've done the latter a couple of times, and I fully realize that a blown head gasket make simply be a symptom of a much more serious problem, but I was wondering how big a job changing the head gasket itself would be on a diesel. Who knows, my Yanmar may need such "surgery" in the future.
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Re: Please tell me this is a nutty idea so I will stop looking at this boat.

Lotta boats out there. Get one that doesn't need a new head gasket.
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I'm curious, though. Did your wife ever say if she can replace the gasket?
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One question about the head gasket issue. Is changing a head gasket on a diesel inherently any more difficult than the same job on a gas engine? I've done the latter a couple of times, and I fully realize that a blown head gasket make simply be a symptom of a much more serious problem, but I was wondering how big a job changing the head gasket itself would be on a diesel. Who knows, my Yanmar may need such "surgery" in the future.
Compared to an automotive engine, it is much simpler. the intake and exhaust manifolds are simpler, there are no emission controls, no accessories mounted in the way (with the exception of the alternator,) no timing belt or chain to remove, so no cam timing issues upon reassembly, the head can be disassembled on the bench, rather than having to unplug the injectors and remove them in situ.

I have not torn the head off any car newer than 1988, but I have wrestled with everything from E-type engines to old Bentley lumps to Daimler's gorgeous little 2.5 litre hemi v-8 to more VW and Porsche aircooled engines than i can count. Based on that experience, dealing with rusted and busted old fasteners, I figured i would need 12 hours to R and R the head of my yanmar GM10, including new valves, new head gasket, new exhaust gasket, rebuilt injector. I had the head off and out in less than 1 hour, 2 hours on the bench, 2 hours to get it back together, requiring a total of two screwdrivers and 3 wrenches. Up until that point, I liked that little diesel. after that job, I loved the simplicity- diesel engines have only enough parts required to make it run, and they don't need much to run.
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Compared to an automotive engine, it is much simpler. the intake and exhaust manifolds are simpler, there are no emission controls, no accessories mounted in the way (with the exception of the alternator,) no timing belt or chain to remove, so no cam timing issues upon reassembly, the head can be disassembled on the bench, rather than having to unplug the injectors and remove them in situ.

I have not torn the head off any car newer than 1988, but I have wrestled with everything from E-type engines to old Bentley lumps to Daimler's gorgeous little 2.5 litre hemi v-8 to more VW and Porsche aircooled engines than i can count. Based on that experience, dealing with rusted and busted old fasteners, I figured i would need 12 hours to R and R the head of my yanmar GM10, including new valves, new head gasket, new exhaust gasket, rebuilt injector. I had the head off and out in less than 1 hour, 2 hours on the bench, 2 hours to get it back together, requiring a total of two screwdrivers and 3 wrenches. Up until that point, I liked that little diesel. after that job, I loved the simplicity- diesel engines have only enough parts required to make it run, and they don't need much to run.
Thanks. That's kind of what I thought, just by eyeballing it and skimming my shop manual. It's probably a slightly bigger job on my 2gm20, but not much bigger. Of course, the odds of finding something else wrong as soon as the head is off are......well.....let's not think about that.
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I'm curious, though. Did your wife ever say if she can replace the gasket?
Yes, she can, and she has, as it turns out. She had an old Mercedes when we met that blew quite a few parts before it had to be retired to the old dealer in the sky.

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In June of last year I took at look at a Greenwich 24 that was local to me. The boat was disaster and the trailer had deformed the hull. I decided I liked the hull, needed a little more headroom down below, and wanted a launching trailer. In July I started looking for a Cape Dory 25 and a Triad trailer. I priced a new Triad Trailer and came to about $6250 + tax. I found a used 2006 Triad equipped exactly as I had quoted with about 250 unloaded miles on it and no submersions. It was 450 miles away, $4,650 (25% off new for 250 unloaded miles), and included a free 1978 CD25.


The guy I bought it from had bought it accidentally on ebay in 2009. He threw in a lowball bid and went away for the weekend where he bought a CD30. He returned home to find he had been high bidder on a CD25 on the Triad trailer. Every spring for at least FOUR years the guy scrubbed it, did some minor cosmetic improvements (compounding hull, new bottom paint, cetol on the toe rail, etc) and placed a few for sale ads with a lower price each May. He seemed to take reasonably good care of the boat that was stored in a rundown boatyard hundreds of miles from his home. He wouldn't negotiate on the price at all, but I found him pretty honest and straight forward to deal with. I paid him in cash and found out he used it as the down payment on a CD36 that was listed on craigslist in the area the next day. He put his CD30 up for sale the next week. Since that was only 8 months ago and he is used to maintaining a 2nd CD he isn't using I figured I had a few years of sailing the CD25 before I decide to upgrade and buy that CD30. :-)

IME, Dr. Bob is an impulse buyer and SLOW seller. He seemed to take reasonable care of his stuff while biding his time. Hope this helps. :-)

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Re: Please tell me this is a nutty idea so I will stop looking at this boat.

I wanted to buy a boat that I knew had a problem like that so I could get it cheaper but I can fix about anything, But because the 1st mate said she wanted to be in Florida that winter so no project boats I just snicker'd and found our E-32.

As said their might be more problems then just the head gasket so figure on worst condition, this case engine replacement and then the list of other things that need attention. I would never tell anyone not to buy the boat they want but just to make sure its what you want.
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I thought I would update this thread with some good news - I found my boat!

Meet my new Pearson 28-2. Many thanks to Jimgo, who put me in touch with the previous owner just as she was going onto the market, and to everyone here at Sailnet who provided such excellent advice.



We'll be sailing out of Deale, MD - so looking forward to my first season with my own boat!

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Re: Please tell me this is a nutty idea so I will stop looking at this boat.

Wow she looks great!
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