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Varianta 37 - vs Hanse vs Beneteau Oceanis?

Varianta 37 is a new boattype for sale using the Hanse hull of he proven Hanse 37. We are considering buying it, have seen it inside etc and like the simplicity and stripped version thinking and it is supposedly a really good sailor with focus on performance keeping the inside to a minimum (something that appeals to us simple sailors) yet with three cabins for all our families.

But do anyone of you know about it? Another option is a Beneteau Oceanis 35 or 38 - not because we think it is comparable in sailing ability, but because the Oceanis dealer will take our Luffe 37 in return. we almost bought a Salona 37 but it got sold and now there are only charter boats avalable which we don't think is a great idea.

Would love your opinion.
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Re: Varianta 37 - vs Hanse vs Beneteau Oceanis?

It has very little storage. In Europe buyers add the cabinetry needed to make the boat practical, but that adds weight that has been stripped out. The Oceanis series has no appeal to me, but I look for performance, not a dock condo.

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Re: Varianta 37 - vs Hanse vs Beneteau Oceanis?

exactly why we are looking at the varianta. Coming from a luffe it has miles of storage :0) we are simple people and sail more than anything else

what in your opinion has performance in a 37 footer?
we are very much in doubt of oceanis - but the numbers look good
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Re: Varianta 37 - vs Hanse vs Beneteau Oceanis?

Look for a J37 used, J112E new. C&C 34+ or 37+. If money is not an issue, the X Yachts.
I routinely pass Oceanis series boats in my C&C 35. If you are looking for performance, look elsewhere.

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interesting. except i am from denmark så ofcourse know the x-yachts (and they ARE great - only as you say...)

the J what is that boat? and the C? i have gone through tons of boats and i don't know them which is a surprise to me
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Re: Varianta 37 - vs Hanse vs Beneteau Oceanis?

J/Boats- Better Sailboats for People Who Love Sailing.

C&C was a Canadian company that operated until the early 90s. Great racer/cruisers. May not be many in Europe.

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Re: Varianta 37 - vs Hanse vs Beneteau Oceanis?

They look really nice and it sounds like some people are buying them and even refitting the interior on them new the way they want them. They say they can put a custom interior for less money than the Hanse. It also sounds like the hull is made a bit more sturdy for the Varianta than Hanse. Nice write up in Sail magazine a month or two ago. Looks like a great value, and new may cost about what a few year old boat might cost.

If they will suit your needs I think you should go for it.
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Re: Varianta 37 - vs Hanse vs Beneteau Oceanis?

I read some Euro magazines about the Varianta and it made me think of the way Detroit use to sell cars years ago - base car had nothing and there were thousands of options. Only fleet buyers like taxi companies bought the base cars.

The Varianta sounds like a base car - lot's & lots of money to be spent finishing the outfitting of it to a truly useable condition.

I'd look for something used, in good condition and properly outfitted

I, myself, personally intend to continue being outspoken and opinionated, intolerant of all fanatics, fools and ignoramuses, deeply suspicious of all those who have "found the answer" and on my bad days, downright rude.
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J/Boats- Better Sailboats for People Who Love Sailing.

C&C was a Canadian company that operated until the early 90s. Great racer/cruisers. May not be many in Europe.
Should be - they had a plant in Germany and they licensed some designs as well - Trapper in England for sure.

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Re: Varianta 37 - vs Hanse vs Beneteau Oceanis?

on the inside of the varianta we do not have a lot of doubts - we love it is so simple and i has everything it needs to sail.
We are simple people. we don't need much on the inside that isn't there. we are looking for how to find a sailing boat and how to evaluate this.

People say the oceanis cant sail but based on what? numbers prove they sail very fast. Look at the hulls of them all and they are so identical it is hard to make a difference.

I cannot find the really right arguments for the new models except that we old sailors love our old boats. wish we could compare on some sort of factual objective level?

I feel they are different when i sail, but not on speed. so does that mean it cant sail?
when it goes through waves great - sails fast - but is very steady and not so lively. feels like a ferry, but it doesnt sail like one in speed.

Hmmm. Wish i could understand techonology wise what we are talking about
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