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ComPac 23 or ?

I'm looking for an easily-handled day-sailor. Ideally I would like a shallow draft boat (3 1/2' or less) but am not keen on centerboards. Of course, I would also like a reasonable turn of speed and decent performance to windward. Finally, I want a good-sized cockpit.

I've stumbled upon a ComPac23 in good shape. The shoal draft is appealing, but I am guessing that I will pay a price in terms of performance (and windward performance in particular). Of course, I recognize that every boat is going to be a compromise, but is this a boat that I ought to consider? It seems to have a loyal following.
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Re: ComPac 23 or ?

I see this has been sitting here for a week and nobody's replied yet.
They seem overpriced and for what mission were they built? They're cramped down below, so I don't think they'd be too much fun as weekenders. They're not fast.
A J24 would be more fun (and just as cramped down below), but the 4 foot draft is more than you want.
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Re: ComPac 23 or ?

The J24 would certainly be a more lively boat. Aside from the draft, the lack of back support in the cockpit would be a deal-breaker :-(
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Re: ComPac 23 or ?

The ComPac's seem to be nice pocket cruising boats, and while a bit more money seem to have a bit higher quality interiors. (abet a bit cramped but what do you want for a 23 footer) They appear at least to be quite well built and the ones I have seen seem to hold up well, not sure if it is just doting owners, or if they just hold up better than the rest. I have seen some sitting at a dock that the gel coat looked new on a 20 year old boat with little to no crazing. They certainly seem a lot more stable than a J24, and that is important to some. Yes it will not point as high and will take more wind to get going, but in some situations that is not all that important. I think on a small lake or river that you might plan on doing some motoring anyway to maintain schedules and fight currents it might be nice. I have only been below on a few and am not even sure what size they were, but seemed comfortable for there size.
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Re: ComPac 23 or ?

Capri 22 wing keel, will provide infinitely better performance, has decent built quality, but is less cruiserish.

Used a seafarer 23 would be a good boat (sorry is shoal keel/centerboard).
So would an Oday 222, except again, keel/centerboard.
A hunter 23, is a wing keel, sails OK, and has decent room, built quality is just OK.
Precisions 23, keel/centerboard...

Seeing a trend yet? That's because a shoal keel is a miserable design, and pretty well is a major compromise in performance to allow for shallow water work, and/or trailering, and most designers "fix" that poor performance by supplementing with a centerboard... OR, you wind up with a heavy leaded wing keel.

Now if you want a REAL deep draft for good sailing, try an S2 6.9 (22 footer, with a weighted daggerboard, draws 18" dagger up)... again used. My S2 7.9 draws same, 18", but has 1000lbs of ballast in the hull (bottom), but also 600lbs of weighted daggerboard... both boats draw 4' and 5' respectively daggerboard down, so they sail great and trailer great, but you need water to sail them!

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Catalina 22 wing keel (good luck finding one).
Hunter 235 water ballast (no I did NOT recommend one).
OOOH forgot about the Beneteau 235 (great boat, probably the best I listed), wing keel.. these boats have tons of room, sail well, and draw a premium on the resale market for good reason.
Oday 240 (another wing/shoal design), big down below, OK sailing
Cape Dory 22 (more a full keel design, so still a slug, but excellent build quality)
Starwind 223 (keel centerboard)
Cal 24 is a nice boat, deeper draft at 4'
Tanzer 22, draws 3.4' deck is kind of odd looking from afar, but built really well, tons of space below for a 22.

Hope that gives you a list to look at. By the way, you should seriously consider that requirement of no centerboard. Also why you want shallow draft... If its just to launch, seriously consider that S2 6.9 (great boat), super easy to launch, with decent speed, and space below. If its because you gunk hole, then OK, consider the wing keels, with the venerable Catalina 22 wing keel probably being your best buy, easiest to sail, easiest to get parts for boat that has the most room below. If its performance and gunk holing and just overnighting occasionally , the Capri 22 wing is probably your best buy (also easy to get parts for, and is still made).

I'll submit that there is little difference between 3' draft and 4' draft, and 4' draft opens you up to tons of 22-24 footers that perform REAL well, and also have decent room below (think C&C 24). The Compac 23 is actually a lot of boat for the money, but it focuses more on cruiser, than it does sailing performance.

"Rum Line" an S2 7.9 - cheap, fast, trailerable, and paid for.

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Re: ComPac 23 or ?

I really liked that CP23

I learned on a Tanzer 22

We would up with an Oday 272.

The wife can stand up in it.

It still draws just 3ft.

Performance is adequate.

I got used to handling the 27ft quickly.

When it gets to 2ft+ seas I'm happy to be on a 27 instead of a 23!!
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Re: ComPac 23 or ?

We had a Precision 23 for several year - shoal keel with a centerboard. The boat was a pleasure to sail and would have better performance than the CP23. It's easy to trailer and rig. The CP23 probably has a slightly nicer finish inside, but the Precision 23 is perfectly fine for overnighters. We looked at both, and ultimately decided for the Precision.


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Re: ComPac 23 or ?

Thanks to all for your opinions, which conform to my initial impression (that the CP23 is a well-built but sluggish boat).

But every boat is a compromise, and given that I have been out of the water for a year and was looking for a well-built boat in good condition I decided yesterday to buy the Compac. It had been on the market for several months at a price which was arguably on the high side for a 23-footer in this market, so I assumed that it would still be available.

I sent the owner an email yesterday morning and made tentative plans to go see him in the afternoon. (The boat was more than 100 miles away). When I had not heard back from him by lunch time I walked up to my local pub for lunch. As I was having lunch I glanced out the window and noticed a pickup truck towing a ComPac 23 down the street. It caught my attention because the CP 23 is a rare boat in these parts.

Yup. It was the CP23 that I'd had my eye on for months and the purchaser had picked the boat up yesterday morning :-(

BTW, I'm in Canada so many of the recommended boats do not exist in great numbers. I owned a C&C / Hinterhoeller Shark for almost 40 years (thus my user name) but lost it in an accident. I'd be tempted to get another, but most of the Sharks that have been offered for sale have been in worse condition than my former boat (which the insurer declared to be a write-off). And if they are not beaten up they are very $$$ due to the active racing fleet.

I'm now pondering an Oday 23 (swing keel) and an Oday 23 Tempest (a fin keel boat drawing 3' 8" designed in the early 1960s).
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Re: ComPac 23 or ?

You couldn't find a Beneteau First 235 near you? I think it presses a lot of buttons (like checking a lot of boxes).

"Rum Line" an S2 7.9 - cheap, fast, trailerable, and paid for.
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Re: ComPac 23 or ?

Thanks Schnool.

I'd initially thought that it was too deep, but as I noted every boat is a compromise and it looks like a good boat.

Again, due to import tariffs our market is mostly populated with Canadian-made boats (most built in the 70's or early 80s) but I do see a '92 B235 for sale not far away.

I will try to check it out.
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