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post #11 of 24 Old 01-24-2010
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This is one of those questions that has no one right answer. By any rational analysis, this boat has a negative value, by which I mean, If you start with the absolute maximum that you could ever sell the boat for, and add up the all of the costs that would be required to bring the boat to a condition and level of equipage that would be necessary for it to sell at that price, you will end up having invested several times what the boat could ever sell for.

But the one thing about a boat like the Seawind (and I assume this is a mark 1 and not a mark II) is that these were simple boats and if kept simple represent a wholesome (albeit slow and cramped) design that would make a reasonable distance cruiser once restored to a structurally sound and reliable condition and as compared to other choices that are out there for $10,000, this represents a good model to start from if your goal really is to go offshore cruising in a small single-hander. In that regard, as long as you reined in the tendancy to try to bring this boat up to modern standards it would be a reasonable candidate for this kind of restoration effort.

So in the end, the key issue in making this decision is a clear understanding of your long term goals and your skills in putting a boat like this back together. If you goal is predominantly coastal cruising, or your goal is a comfortable live aboard, this is the wrong boat. But if you goal is to cross oceans and do so simply, then despite the cost, this may be the right boat for your needs.

In any case, at $10,000 a few thousand dollar difference in the price, one way or another should not be the deciding factor, given that you will probably spend $30-40,000 getting this boat into sound and reliable condition to go voyaging.

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Just out of curiosity is there a link to an add for this Allied Seawind?
I ask because last spring I got to sail on one up here in NY going from Northport to NYC. The chap that bought her got her for just under $10k and he sailed her down to the FL Keys and subsequently put her up for sale. The boat was called "Babe" but the name was painted over on the transom.
I would be bowled over if you were looking at the same boat I was on.
If it is the same boat I will tell you a bit more about it having spent 1 night and 2 days on board.
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Cockerline123,
Having bought an older Allied Seawind 30 ketch over 10 years ago, you need to be aware of the ongoing maintenance costs. Fortunately, our boat had a newer Volvo Penta 28HP, which was one of the factors that prompted us to buy this boat. It was also owned to 20 years by dear friends.

We spend approximately $5K per year on routine maintenance, which has included things like:
0. Replaced standing rigging and lifelines
1. Stainless prop shaft/cutlass bearing
2. replace fixed ports in cabin house
3. Shaeffer Roller Furler
4. New Furling Genoa
5. new Main Sail & Mizzen
6. New VHF, GPS Chart Plotter, Compass
7. new Head
8. new cabin cushions
9. New battery charger & batteries
10. Sand Blast bottom and barrier coat
11. Lots of bottom paint at $200/gallon
12. replaced runnning rigging..
13. New Dodger
14. Ongoing refinishing/maintenance of brightwork.
The great thing about our Seawind is that it is one of the most seaworthy boats in our marina. Be realistic about how much work you can do yourself and your budget for professional services. I would encourage you to buy the best boat that you can afford (in order to spend more time sailing). You're welcome to come look at my boat as a benchmark.
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Nope Babe is still out there on the market. This is Sea Witch. If I recall the guy selling Babe wanted quite a bit more than 10grand too. It would be very interesting to know what shape it was in when he bought it just as a comparison. I'll try to get that other link.
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The great thing about our Seawind is that it is one of the most seaworthy boats in our marina. Be realistic about how much work you can do yourself and your budget for professional services. I would encourage you to buy the best boat that you can afford (in order to spend more time sailing). You're welcome to come look at my boat as a benchmark.


So yeah this is really helpful. This is what I'm looking at doing right now too although things are looking more and more tenative... I guess without asking you straight up what you bought her for (which would be great to know but I dont expect you to post that) what would you think a fair price for a seawind is in that condition... I know tough question, but just ballpark.
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We paid mid-$20K for our Seawind 30 over ten years ago. Our boat has a custom mahoghany interior and came with reasonable sails, newer Volvo penta 28hp, and High Performance Zodiak w/15hp Yamaha.
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I'd point out that the newer engine, the RIB and sails alone would account for the $10000 difference in price more likely than not. Was the rigging in reasonable shape or was it shot?
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Hi Seawind52,

If you and your Seawind are ever near the Connecticut River, I'd welcome a chance to check out your boat. I own Patience, ASW1 #105 and we live in Old Saybrook, CT. I've tackled similar projects to you (except the replacing the standing rigging and sails).

Cockerline123 - I agree with Jeff H that the strong point of this boat is its simplicity and the best improvements are those that enhance the existing systems without adding a lot of complexity. Of course, I don't always listen to my own advice - I'd like to install a water wash down pump to replace the "canvas bucket" system for cleaning the anchor and rode. And a wifi system would be nice...

I recently built a website to catalog my boat projects and you can see pictures of Patience there:

The chronicle of my efforts to keep old plastic boats afloat (Bill's Classic Plastic Boats)

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I like the way the 32' Seawind hove to with mizzen and jib alone.
Versatile sail configurations with a ketch rigged boat.

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still looking at the Allied Seawind?

Are you still interested in the allied? Maybe I can help with a few comments. As Calebd mentioned, I sailed one down the east coast last year single handed with not a great deal of experience it must be said. CalebD was a very welcome passenger around NY harbour.

My impressions? I will echo Jeff H 创s comments. She创s Not really designed for coastal. A great safe boat for crossing an ocean, albeit a little slowly. Hull speed 6.7knts. Couldn创t squeeze any more out of her. Additional speed would have saved me time at the helm (no autopilot) allowing me to reach port more quickly, more refreshed, less chance of an accident, and in daylight. On some days after steering for 12 - 14 hrs I was pretty knackered.

She创s A little cramped below, but if single handing not so much a problem. Very sea kindly and forgiving.

Cost? Can创t agree more about what磗 already been said. Going for one in better condition between say 20K and 30K, with fewer details, is better than spending time and money on renovation, although any boat of this age is probably going to require a little TLC.

I dont regret my purchase for one moment. I was lucky. Mine was hardly used. Just 150 hrs on the engine! Even though a survey may cost around 5% of the purchase price, well worth it. Mine Highlighted the details on the boat and work that needed doing. Very useful and re assuring.

For the future I am now looking at something a little faster/ larger/ autopilot etc such as a benetau 423.
If you创re around Florida, you are welcome to take a look at mine in Key Largo to get more familiar with them or you can ask me about any specific points.

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Ian (the "crazy" Brit).
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