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Look at the Olson 911s.
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Agreed, Olson 911s is a great boat (find a Pacific Boatworks 911s, they're several hundred pounds lighter than the Ericson built 911se) but probably very hard to find one under 20K.... impossible I'd say unless it was a project boat.

The other advantage I forgot to mention about the Olson 30 vs something like a J29 is that many are dry sailed... chances are far less that there will be wet hull issues. Honestly, I like both, but personally would lean toward the Olson... fast is fun. Not alway particularly comfortable, but fun.
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At 168, I think the OP wants to go faster.
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Any particular reason for a PHRF 95-115 rating? Why not look at a boat that sails well or better than it's PHRF rating instead of a specific number.

You might want to consider a Pearson 10M. PHRF at 135/141, under 20K, club racer. Great/Solid boat. 33' LOA, 11' Beam, but LWL is 29". Boat Displaces 13K pounds, but it is quick. I routinely beat "faster" boats with it. Yesterday I passed and out ran a Sabre 362 and a C&C 35-3, both of which have a much better PHRF rating in lease than 2 NM. Winds were 10-13 kt apparent. Point-of-sail was almost close-hauled.

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Am targeting around 100 because I want to be finished before the sun sets and the breeze shuts down completely. I don't want to have to depend on the RC doing the right thing and shortening. I also want something with a little life to it. Lastly, the O'Day 302 and the Pearson would put me in Div III and that's not where I want to be.

About to research the Olson 911.

Edit: Another reason for thinking about the Olson 29/30 or Evelyn 32 -- if fitted with single point lifting they can be hauled at my club and with a trailer, can be towed.

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Any particular reason for a PHRF 95-115 rating? Why not look at a boat that sails well or better than it's PHRF rating instead of a specific number.

You might want to consider a Pearson 10M. PHRF at 135/141, under 20K, club racer. Great/Solid boat. 33' LOA, 11' Beam, but LWL is 29". Boat Displaces 13K pounds, but it is quick. I routinely beat "faster" boats with it. Yesterday I passed and out ran a Sabre 362 and a C&C 35-3, both of which have a much better PHRF rating in lease than 2 NM. Winds were 10-13 kt apparent. Point-of-sail was almost close-hauled.

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Why not look at a boat that sails well or better than it's PHRF rating? That was exactly the question the OP asked... A well sailed Olson 30 at 99 is tough to beat in light air or conversely downwind in a breeze and a swell.

With all due respect, a 10m, while indeed rated kindly, is nowhere near as quick as an O-30 in any condition.
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About to research the Olson 911.

Edit: Another reason for thinking about the Olson 29/30 or Evelyn 32 -- if fitted with single point lifting they can be hauled at my club and with a trailer, can be towed.
The 911 isn't really the rating band you're looking at. That said, it's about the nicest racer/cruiser at 30' around.

... and agreed. You can dry sail an 0-29/30
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Here on the Chesapeake, where light air sailing was invented, the Olson 29's and Olson 30's sailed pretty evenly at the lighter end of the wind range. The only place that the 29's seemed to have any advantage was at the upper most end of the wind range. That said, they were not an especially great light air boat and were not all that easy to sail to their rating on a either an upwind/downwind course or on a triangular course. Where they really came into their own was in distance races, which ended up being predominantly reaching races.

A boat that I would strongly endourse is the Soverel 33 which does great in almost all conditions. I would suggest that you try to find one of the Olson built Soverel 33's, with a Soverel built S33 as a fall back and the Tartan built boats as a desparation move.

Although slightly above your target rating range, I would suggest that you consider adding the Laser 28 to your list. Sailed well these were excellent light air boats that had an easy time sailing to their ratings in the light stuff. I owned one and really liked the boat but they are not everyone's cup of tea. I did find it pretty easy to catch the Olson 30's upwind and in light air. Around here, in light to moderate breezes the Laser 28 fleet would pass the typically catch the back of the Olson 30 fleet. In moderate conditions, they would pass us down wind and we would catch them upwind.

Another option might be the S-2 9.1. The S2 9.1's actually did much better in light air than their numbers would suggest. Be very careful to check for core rot since they had some of the worst out there, but many have been rebuilt and they remain a good PHRF boat.

As someone said above, masthead rigged, outboard engined J-29's do pretty well in light going and are good all-around PHRF boats.

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That said, they were not an especially great light air boat and were not all that easy to sail to their rating on a either an upwind/downwind course or on a triangular course. Where they really came into their own was in distance races, which ended up being predominantly reaching races.


A boat that I would strongly endourse is the Soverel 33 which does great in almost all conditions. I would suggest that you try to find one of the Olson built Soverel 33's, with a Soverel built S33 as a fall back and the Tartan built boats as a desparation move.

Although slightly above your target rating range, I would suggest that you consider adding the Laser 28 to your list. Sailed well these were excellent light air boats that had an easy time sailing to their ratings in the light stuff. I owned one and really liked the boat but they are not everyone's cup of tea. I did find it pretty easy to catch the Olson 30's upwind and in light air. Around here, in light to moderate breezes the Laser 28 fleet would pass the typically catch the back of the Olson 30 fleet. In moderate conditions, they would pass us down wind and we would catch them upwind.

Another option might be the S-2 9.1. The S2 9.1's actually did much better in light air than their numbers would suggest. Be very careful to check for core rot since they had some of the worst out there, but many have been rebuilt and they remain a good PHRF boat.

As someone said above, masthead rigged, outboard engined J-29's do pretty well in light going and are good all-around PHRF boats.

That would be my thoughts,
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Interesting. I used to think the same about the O-30 in light air, but there are a couple around here that have well proved otherwise, particularly in downwind drifters. That said, they are both very well sailed by folks who really know their boats. I'm wondering if the ones you're seeing are wet sailed... it does make a difference.

S-33, indeed! A great boat, especially the PBW version, with a lot of good information on their class website. Unfortunately it will be a much more expensive boat to run.

If one were going to do an older 30' ish racer/cruiser, the S2 is a nice boat and a good addition to the list, but for the money, I'd go with the Pacific Boat Works O-911s. The build quality of all the Santa Cruz made boats (Alsberg Bros (Express), Pacific Boatworks (Olson, Soveral), Santa Cruz) is tough to beat.

I can't think of a better 30' racer/cruiser than the O-911s that does both well and is still very competitive at it's rating. MH OB J-29 is a good boat as well.

A couple of lists:

Race only, Melges 24, Olson 30 or J-29 MHOB... S-33 if you can afford the sails.

Race/cruise, O-911s, S2 9.1, Santana 30/30, Capo 30.... most of these boats are probably beyond the OP's 20k budget.

... but a lot of good ideas and good choices to look at, that's for sure Jeff!
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Anyone happen to know anything about the Beneteau Figaro Solo designed by Finot in the late 80s and used for the Figaro single-handed races in the 90s? PHRF 105 or so.

Getting close.
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Anyone happen to know anything about the Beneteau Figaro Solo designed by Finot in the late 80s and used for the Figaro single-handed races in the 90s? PHRF 105 or so.

Getting close.
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http://www.finot.com/bateaux/batprod...eau/courbe.jpg


...not sure what units the numbers are in though.
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I only know of one locally, that one is in Vancouver BC. There is a fellow on here that knows the owner.

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