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Any thoughts on a 1970 "Seasmoke" 40' Sloop?

I'm getting ready to come home from the middle east soon and looking for a new home on the east coast. Before I came over here, I lived aboard a Hunter 31 in Bremerton, WA so I know I enjoy living aboard and love sailing so I decided I'm doing it again. So my plan as of today, is to sell my boat in WA and buy one a little larger and live aboard her. I'm searching for inexpensive vessels and I found one that I could easily afford, and she is in need of work, so I'm thinking if I'm lucky, I can do some customization in the process of refitting her. The one I'm interested in is a 1970 40' Seasmoke. I haven't seen any of these before, so I'm wondering if anyone has any general observations or knowledge about strengths and weaknesses inherent in the design.


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Re: Any thoughts on a 1970 "Seasmoke" 40' Sloop?

Is it the ferro that's for sale?

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Yes, it is. Is that a good thing?
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Re: Any thoughts on a 1970 "Seasmoke" 40' Sloop?

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Yes, it is. Is that a good thing?
Generally not considered to be. There are a few good ones out there but the majority are not worth spending money on. Their resale value is virtually nil due to their rep (due to all the junky ones).

At one time ferro boats were huge bargains due to their rep, even the good ones, as they all got tarred with the same brush but now you can get needy fiberglass boats so cheap that ferro is not really worth considering.

That is unless you can get one of the good ones for the price of the junk from an owner who is tired of trying to sell it.

I, myself, personally intend to continue being outspoken and opinionated, intolerant of all fanatics, fools and ignoramuses, deeply suspicious of all those who have "found the answer" and on my bad days, downright rude.
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Re: Any thoughts on a 1970 "Seasmoke" 40' Sloop?

Thank you very much for your insight!
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Re: Any thoughts on a 1970 "Seasmoke" 40' Sloop?

You should contact CharlieCobra (a member here). He's restoring some real classic beauties that he wants to sell. He's very affordable - and does some of the best work around...hands down. If you're looking to do some customization while you go - he's definitely your guy.

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Re: Any thoughts on a 1970 "Seasmoke" 40' Sloop?

Smackdaddy,

I'm actually planning to be doing this acquisition on the East Coast, and I see that he is based here in the Puget Sound. But I do appreciate the recommendation! I have my current vessel Nanoose docked here in the Puget Sound and am anticipating selling her, so if I find she has issues when I get home I will definitely be in touch with him!
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Re: Any thoughts on a 1970 "Seasmoke" 40' Sloop?

G'day mate,

The Seasmoke's were designed by Samson Yachts, Hartley now sell the Samson plans.
If you're talking about this Seasmoke on YachtWorld, then I think it would be a good buy at $7,500, you'll most likely pick it up for five grand. I only wish it was being offered here in Australia for that price, I would have bought it six months back...Oh well, I'll keep looking this side.
BTW, Colin Brooks has written a great book on FC boats, Ferro Cement Boats, imho, it's a great book and well worth the selling price of $45 Colin Brooks has been designing, building, surveying and repairing FC boats for 35 years or more...Yes, he gets his hands dirty and he's the man I listen to on the matter of FC boats
Good luck with things,

Oh! The Seasmoke...Were I in the States...I would buy it in a heart-beat at that price

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Re: Any thoughts on a 1970 "Seasmoke" 40' Sloop?

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G'day mate,

The Seasmoke's were designed by Samson Yachts, Hartley now sell the Samson plans.
If you're talking about this Seasmoke on YachtWorld, then I think it would be a good buy at $7,500, you'll most likely pick it up for five grand. I only wish it was being offered here in Australia for that price, I would have bought it six months back...Oh well, I'll keep looking this side.
BTW, Colin Brooks has written a great book on FC boats, Ferro Cement Boats, imho, it's a great book and well worth the selling price of $45 Colin Brooks has been designing, building, surveying and repairing FC boats for 35 years or more...Yes, he gets his hands dirty and he's the man I listen to on the matter of FC boats
Good luck with things,

Oh! The Seasmoke...Were I in the States...I would buy it in a heart-beat at that price

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Bill, I think you'll find that ferro boats here are not generally up to the standards found in Oz and Europe. There they were largely built by pro's while here they were largely built by hippies & dreamers.

I knew John Samson and Chris Deiner, his foreman when they were in their heyday in production in Richmond. John was an interesting eccentric and a hell of a promoter but he had some screwy ideas about boatbuilding. For example, there is a C-Quin for sale here that they built. It's one of the better ferro boats around but it floats a FOOT or more below its lines. Chris told me that John wanted to eliminate all the areas that could trap water in the hull. He had read about how they would sometimes fill these areas with pitch in old wooden boats so he decided to imitate them, but with CEMENT. You can imagine how much weight it would take to sink a 44' boat a foot or more - Tons!

That was done by the main promoter and one of the better builders of ferro boats here. The ones I've seen from Oz & Europe were to a much higher standard - perhaps only because they were the ones that had successfully made it here.

There are a few well built ones here - I know of a C-Breeze on the island that is very nice and I've seen an Endurance 35 that was indistinguishable from glass but they are the rare exceptions here. Even the better built ones tend to have kinks in the sheer and/or other very basic flaws.
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Re: Any thoughts on a 1970 "Seasmoke" 40' Sloop?

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I knew John Sampson ......John was an interesting eccentric and a hell of a promoter but he had some screwy ideas

Remember the ads he used to run in PY in the 80s??

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