Relative tippiness of multihulls

[LookingForCruiser]

It occurs to me now that Blondezilla was probably talking about the prices of Geminis, since he mentions "lots on Yachtworld". I didn't do the research on Gemini prices, like I did for Iroquois - I only have the one example, the 88 Gemini 3000 for $34500 that I looked at. One price does not make a good sample to draw conclusions from. At the time I looked up the price in BUC and it was about the same, and assumed that was the average price for a 20 year old Gemini.

[LookingForCruiser]

Stupid question (because I don't go out in storms in the rather smaller boats I'm used to sailing...):

The Jordan series drogue would be used in conjunction with a small storm sail, correct? Is it the same idea on a cat ?

Where do you attach the drogue to on a cat ? Right in the middle of the stern ?

[sailingdog]

No, a JSD is usually used with all the sail down. Most boats have more than enough windage without the need to add any. All adding sail would do is stress the rigging more and increase the rate at which you run off before the storm... and if the amount of searoom you have is limited, that is a really, really bad idea.

The JSD is usually attached to a bridle. The hardpoints for attaching the bridle on a catamaran would usually be chainplates installed on the outer hulls for this specific purpose, and the bridle should be 2.5x the distance between the two attachment points.

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Originally Posted by LookingForCruiser

Stupid question (because I don't go out in storms in the rather smaller boats I'm used to sailing...):

The Jordan series drogue would be used in conjunction with a small storm sail, correct? Is it the same idea on a cat ?

Where do you attach the drogue to on a cat ? Right in the middle of the stern ?

[chucklesR]

LookingForCruiser,
If you are interested at all in Gemini's I suggest joining our rather active Gemini Group on Yahoo.
It's free and open to all: Gemini_Cats : Gemini Catamarans to sign up.
There is a file on the board called: Gemini New and Used boat pricing.xls - it gives the results of a fairly extensive review done by one of our members.

IMHO, the reason UK boats cost more is the VAT, and the requirement that the boat meet CE certification even if selling used.

[sailingdog]

Be aware that the US-market Geminis are slightly different from the EU-market ones, and IIRC will have some trouble with certification, since the EU required some slight changes to the boat to certify it.

[chucklesR]

Correct SD, says so on the PCI web site.
They modify they door sill (raised to 11 inches), mod the toe rail, put in three bilge pumps (2 elect, one manual from the cockpit) enlarge the cockpit drains to 2 inches each and of course wire it for the EU.
There is no reasonable way to modify a non-European modified Gemini to meet CE standards.
All the hype I spout about my Gemini being open ocean category A rated by the CE is just that, hype. The design is capable, it's components are not. Last I heard a new Gemini going to the UK starts at about 170 EU, or 200k as opposed to my 149.5k

[LookingForCruiser]

Unless the British have decided to retake the colonies, I don't think I have to worry about EU boating regulations.

[sailingdog]

We kicked the brit's out twice...doing it a third time shouldn't be a big problem.

[Rickm505]

I'm late to this post, but you know what they say, better late than never.

In addition to boats already mentioned, I'll add Catalac 8m or 9m and Heavenly Twins to the list. Both are older but well known British boats with solid glass hulls, some should be in your price range.

Reading Charles Kanter's book as Chuckles mentioned is really the right place to start.

[camaraderie]

WHAT???!!! Did Rick just post on a sailing topic???!!! The sky is falling!!!