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29-1 - decent price, diesel, but bad boat?

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Seems like the c&c 29-1 is a dog of a boat, so people seem to say.

I found a 29-1 up for sale near me that is asking 13k but owner is obo. Engine is diesel, recently serviced and tuned, sails are in need of replacing eventually, but in "good" shape still. Main is fully battened, has a spin-tec furler on the genoa.

She is running a Yanmar 2QM15 diesel which was serviced in 2015. 12v truecharge 10 charger, house batteries are new as of 2013. Throughhole valvues replaced in 2010, new low vibration engine mounts in 2006.

He previously used the boat as a airbnb, however the marina is apparently cracking down on this type of business, so he has no need for the boat now.

I know they like to be sailed flat, in light wind, however I'm curious since I'm located in Seattle if this is a potential boat for me.

I'm looking for one that will be able to take me comfortably out to the puget sound, to san juan islands and back for weekend cruises. Not excatly looking for a racing boat, however am looking for one with comfortable space and size.

When people say she is "tender" sailing, what does this exactly mean? It seems like if we are approaching 15kn winds, we just need to reef early to accommodate for her poor sailing characteristics in heavy winds?

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Pending a survey with a positive outcome, it sounds like a reasonable deal.

I'll make a rather broad statement here: Most racer cruisers that do well in light air tend to be "tender". Th fold up table leads to an open salon, I like that.

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Re: 29-1 - decent price, diesel, but bad boat?

The 29-1 and the 34 of the same era (late 70s design) are both known to be 'tender' but plenty of both around seeming managing to sail around happily enough. Having a tender boat just leads to better boat handling, sail trim and reefing skills. Nimble performance is often the payback.

I know the 34 is a cored hull, not sure about the 29-1 but would be worth looking into possible issues there.

Having been used as an 'airbnb' makes me nervous about the bottom.. cleaned/painted regularly? Quite likely the boat has rarely been sailed under that usage.

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Re: 29-1 - decent price, diesel, but bad boat?

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Hey everyone,

Seems like the c&c 29-1 is a dog of a boat, so people seem to say.

I found a 29-1 up for sale near me that is asking 13k but owner is obo. Engine is diesel, recently serviced and tuned, sails are in need of replacing eventually, but in "good" shape still. Main is fully battened, has a spin-tec furler on the genoa.

She is running a Yanmar 2QM15 diesel which was serviced in 2015. 12v truecharge 10 charger, house batteries are new as of 2013. Throughhole valvues replaced in 2010, new low vibration engine mounts in 2006.

He previously used the boat as a airbnb, however the marina is apparently cracking down on this type of business, so he has no need for the boat now.

I know they like to be sailed flat, in light wind, however I'm curious since I'm located in Seattle if this is a potential boat for me.

I'm looking for one that will be able to take me comfortably out to the puget sound, to san juan islands and back for weekend cruises. Not excatly looking for a racing boat, however am looking for one with comfortable space and size.

When people say she is "tender" sailing, what does this exactly mean? It seems like if we are approaching 15kn winds, we just need to reef early to accommodate for her poor sailing characteristics in heavy winds?

Thanks!
Well saying poor sailing characteristics/dog would be an exaggeration. Yes that she heels a bit more than some other boats sure. C&C boats are well made, and designed boats. They tend to be more on the racer side of racer/cruiser end of the spectrum, thus more tender. But a poor preforming C&C is still going to likely be better performing than an similar age and size Catalina, hunter et all.

I would be more concerned about the fact that it was used as Airbnb than the sailing characteristics of the boat. Seems that would put a lot of wear and tear on a boat with folks who don't really care about it coming on board and not taking care of it, taking showers without allowing the proper ventilation. Think buying rental car or used hotel mattress(ick). Boats are best when they are sailed, doubt it was allowed to leave harbor as Airbnb. 13K it had better be very nice shape as that is likely at the high end, these boats often sell in 5-6,000 range if original condition, Yanmar adds a bit if really good. If they have been restored and well upgraded with newish very crispy sails it might reach the asking price.
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Re: 29-1 - decent price, diesel, but bad boat?

The overall condition and survey will decide the value of the boat. As for 5-6K range, I think that's a bit low. A quick search of Yachtwold.com shows an average asking price of at least double that. Now, selling price is always the real truth, maybe a broker would be willing to help you out with what they are actually going for.
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Re: 29-1 - decent price, diesel, but bad boat?

Thanks everyone!

The owner did sail it during summer, however he said he has a cleaner come around on a monthly basis to clean the bottom hull. I am somewhat concerned about other people staying aboard and doing god knows what, however i'm hoping to go look at it either today or maybe Thursday/Friday.

From the images he's provided, she has been kept up and maintained quite well, however who knows what it looks like under the covers so to speak.

I was mainly concerned with reading a lot about how she doesn't do well in heavy weather. I have no problem with excess heeling, however i have a problem with capsizing or lack of ability to handle weather over 15kn. If it means just reefing early, and going slowly through 15+, that is fine, but something that can't handle 15kn even with reefing writes the boat off my books.

I was browsing YW for these boats and it seems they are ranging from 9-16k on average.

Knowing me, i'd replace all the cushions due to the way they were "used" from the current owners business, but thats just me.
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Re: 29-1 - decent price, diesel, but bad boat?

Used as a BnB? I wouldn't shine a UV/black light around belowdecks!

Edit: That's a really nice boat. I'd jump on it.
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Used as a BnB? I wouldn't shine a UV/black light around belowdecks!

Edit: That's a really nice boat. I'd jump on it.
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Re: 29-1 - decent price, diesel, but bad boat?

Pretty sharp looking boat. I would carefully check the keel to hull joint, keel bolts, etc. Otherwise, what others said. It is a fast boat with a deep lead keel. Reef early and often and you can sail in stronger winds as well. Pay attention to sail condition if you plan to sail in stronger winds, and have a backup sail, even if it is from a smaller boat.

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Re: 29-1 - decent price, diesel, but bad boat?

You want a tender boat. I can think of two good reasons: You are in the famously light wind PNW. Secondly, a tender boat finding herself in heavy air simply uses a small headsail and then reefs in the main. Presto! A stiff boat! The stiff boat has no options. Light air is far more common than heavy air pretty much everywhere in the world.
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