SailNet is a forum community dedicated to Sailing enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about sailing, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, repairs, reviews, maintenance, and more!
Seems like the c&c 29-1 is a dog of a boat, so people seem to say.
I found a 29-1 up for sale near me that is asking 13k but owner is obo. Engine is diesel, recently serviced and tuned, sails are in need of replacing eventually, but in "good" shape still. Main is fully battened, has a spin-tec furler on the genoa.
She is running a Yanmar 2QM15 diesel which was serviced in 2015. 12v truecharge 10 charger, house batteries are new as of 2013. Throughhole valvues replaced in 2010, new low vibration engine mounts in 2006.
He previously used the boat as a airbnb, however the marina is apparently cracking down on this type of business, so he has no need for the boat now.
I know they like to be sailed flat, in light wind, however I'm curious since I'm located in Seattle if this is a potential boat for me.
I'm looking for one that will be able to take me comfortably out to the puget sound, to san juan islands and back for weekend cruises. Not excatly looking for a racing boat, however am looking for one with comfortable space and size.
When people say she is "tender" sailing, what does this exactly mean? It seems like if we are approaching 15kn winds, we just need to reef early to accommodate for her poor sailing characteristics in heavy winds?
Pending a survey with a positive outcome, it sounds like a reasonable deal.
I'll make a rather broad statement here: Most racer cruisers that do well in light air tend to be "tender". Th fold up table leads to an open salon, I like that.
As to if the boat is a food choice for your waters, I can't say.
C&C Yachts built high quality production sailboats. They are not without issues but few aging boats are perfect. There is a strong, informal owners association at cncphotoalbum.com
Sign up for the email list. Ask any question on the email list and you will get almost immediate answers.
I would join there before you buy the boat. It's free and we love to talk about C&Cs
The 29-1 and the 34 of the same era (late 70s design) are both known to be 'tender' but plenty of both around seeming managing to sail around happily enough. Having a tender boat just leads to better boat handling, sail trim and reefing skills. Nimble performance is often the payback.
I know the 34 is a cored hull, not sure about the 29-1 but would be worth looking into possible issues there.
Having been used as an 'airbnb' makes me nervous about the bottom.. cleaned/painted regularly? Quite likely the boat has rarely been sailed under that usage.
Seems like the c&c 29-1 is a dog of a boat, so people seem to say.
I found a 29-1 up for sale near me that is asking 13k but owner is obo. Engine is diesel, recently serviced and tuned, sails are in need of replacing eventually, but in "good" shape still. Main is fully battened, has a spin-tec furler on the genoa.
She is running a Yanmar 2QM15 diesel which was serviced in 2015. 12v truecharge 10 charger, house batteries are new as of 2013. Throughhole valvues replaced in 2010, new low vibration engine mounts in 2006.
He previously used the boat as a airbnb, however the marina is apparently cracking down on this type of business, so he has no need for the boat now.
I know they like to be sailed flat, in light wind, however I'm curious since I'm located in Seattle if this is a potential boat for me.
I'm looking for one that will be able to take me comfortably out to the puget sound, to san juan islands and back for weekend cruises. Not excatly looking for a racing boat, however am looking for one with comfortable space and size.
When people say she is "tender" sailing, what does this exactly mean? It seems like if we are approaching 15kn winds, we just need to reef early to accommodate for her poor sailing characteristics in heavy winds?
Well saying poor sailing characteristics/dog would be an exaggeration. Yes that she heels a bit more than some other boats sure. C&C boats are well made, and designed boats. They tend to be more on the racer side of racer/cruiser end of the spectrum, thus more tender. But a poor preforming C&C is still going to likely be better performing than an similar age and size Catalina, hunter et all.
I would be more concerned about the fact that it was used as Airbnb than the sailing characteristics of the boat. Seems that would put a lot of wear and tear on a boat with folks who don't really care about it coming on board and not taking care of it, taking showers without allowing the proper ventilation. Think buying rental car or used hotel mattress(ick). Boats are best when they are sailed, doubt it was allowed to leave harbor as Airbnb. 13K it had better be very nice shape as that is likely at the high end, these boats often sell in 5-6,000 range if original condition, Yanmar adds a bit if really good. If they have been restored and well upgraded with newish very crispy sails it might reach the asking price.
The overall condition and survey will decide the value of the boat. As for 5-6K range, I think that's a bit low. A quick search of Yachtwold.com shows an average asking price of at least double that. Now, selling price is always the real truth, maybe a broker would be willing to help you out with what they are actually going for. C&C (Sail) Boats For Sale
The owner did sail it during summer, however he said he has a cleaner come around on a monthly basis to clean the bottom hull. I am somewhat concerned about other people staying aboard and doing god knows what, however i'm hoping to go look at it either today or maybe Thursday/Friday.
From the images he's provided, she has been kept up and maintained quite well, however who knows what it looks like under the covers so to speak.
I was mainly concerned with reading a lot about how she doesn't do well in heavy weather. I have no problem with excess heeling, however i have a problem with capsizing or lack of ability to handle weather over 15kn. If it means just reefing early, and going slowly through 15+, that is fine, but something that can't handle 15kn even with reefing writes the boat off my books.
I was browsing YW for these boats and it seems they are ranging from 9-16k on average.
Knowing me, i'd replace all the cushions due to the way they were "used" from the current owners business, but thats just me.
Pretty sharp looking boat. I would carefully check the keel to hull joint, keel bolts, etc. Otherwise, what others said. It is a fast boat with a deep lead keel. Reef early and often and you can sail in stronger winds as well. Pay attention to sail condition if you plan to sail in stronger winds, and have a backup sail, even if it is from a smaller boat.
You want a tender boat. I can think of two good reasons: You are in the famously light wind PNW. Secondly, a tender boat finding herself in heavy air simply uses a small headsail and then reefs in the main. Presto! A stiff boat! The stiff boat has no options. Light air is far more common than heavy air pretty much everywhere in the world.
There are loads of C&Cs in and around the great lakes, we race against 29s on Wednesdays, they're a great boat. Bought a C&C 33 last winter. Haven't regretted it.........
Find a reputable surveyor who has a moisture meter and knows how to use it, would be the most important bit of advice anyone coould give you. And pay attention to what the surveyor says about damp/soft spots. The decks are balsa cored on a lot of C&Cs. Some have leaked and rotted. If its soft, walk away. Don't be scared off by replacables, and don't buy a boat JUST because it has newer sails/whatevers. A good hull and standing rigging are critical. everything else is accessories, and negotiating ammunition.
I own a C&C 29 mk II (which is for sale in NY) It is actually a completely different boat than the mk I. I am very familiar with the C&C 29mk I version as I have crewed on one and raced against them in the past. The 29 mk I has an extremely narrow waterline beam which make her heel early. She also has a wide beam and when heeled excessively, she will round up into the wind rather quickly. The hull form is what causes this to happen so sailing her flat is what you need to do to maintain control in a breeze. They are a handfull in breezy conditions if you don't reef early but are capable of handling rough conditions. The build quality is exceptionally good throughout the entire line of C&C boats and they tend to maintain their value better than many other production boats. Sails are expensive so make sure you factor that into your budget. aloof has made a good point regarding the ability to continue to sail in light wind. The mk I has definitely gotten a poor reputation for its sailing characteristics and it is reflected in the asking prices.
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Related Threads
?
?
?
?
?
SailNet Community
1.7M posts
173.8K members
Since 1990
A forum community dedicated to Sailing, boating, cruising, racing & chartering. Come join the discussion about sailing, destinations, maintenance, repairs, navigation, electronics, classifieds and more