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Damaged Catalina 25 for a deal

Hello everyone, would just like some advice on what I should do. I have found a 1985 Catalina 25 tall rig for a helluva deal but was damaged when the boat beside it broke loose from it's moorings and began rubbing up against the forward side of the cockpit. The damaged is very localised with a 2-3 inch hole running 14 inches on the top deck and 2 inches of damage down the hull. The hull also has some cracks down another foot (picture of the damaged area below). My question is has anyone had similiar damage that they have had repaired and what was the approximate cost. Sorry I don't have a picture of the actual damage.
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Re: Damaged Catalina 25 for a deal

The problem with repairs like these is that, if after the repairs are made, if you don't paint the entire hull and paint the entire deck you end up with a boat whose value will always be greatly discounted by the obvious, in-your-face patching. Paying a professional to paint the hull and deck would run in the area of $300/foot or more, meaning this cost alone would be more than the boat would subsequently be worth. You can spend a lot of time and effort to do semi-professional job yourself, but most likely you will end up with a boat worth very little.

The above would be why the insurance company and owner have likely determined the boat is worth very little or nothing, not more the the value of the used parts as salvage, less hull disposal costs. A "helluva deal" would be the seller (or insurance company) pays you a few thousand to resolve their remaining responsibility.

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The boat is being offered at $1100 dollars, with trailer, 4 stroke outboard, new(er) sails, and in great overall condition otherwise. I figure could make more money parting it out if the repairs are to expensive but would rather fix it if economically fesiable.
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Re: Damaged Catalina 25 for a deal

Assuming the boat is in average condition; If the boat was free, and I was in the market for a Catalina 22, I might take it. If the boat has a trailer, it's worth whatever the trailer is worth. Basically, if the boat has a salvage title. it's kinda worthless.

The repair will cost a few hundred bucks in tools and materials to repair and whatever a week or so of your labor is worth.

If the boat is well equipped, I would pay whatever that equipment is worth on the low end sold on ebay. Sorry, but there is no such thing as a free or cheap boat.

All that being said, IF I had been on a long hard search for deal on this exact boat, maybe it's worth a bit more to ME. Part of me hopes it's a diamond in the rough and you fix it up and sail the hell out of it.
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Re: Damaged Catalina 25 for a deal

The average cost of a well equipped mid-eighties Catalina 25 tall rig, outboard tiller model on a trailer (assuming swing keel), is about $5000. check adhuntr.com "catalina 25 sailboat" and see how many are around the nation for sale.

They don't sell fast, but they ARE a popular boat. If the boat is mint, and you fix it for under $1000 yourself, and it looks reasonably good when you are done, you might be able to sell it fast for $4000.

Now I get it, you aren't out to sell it... I also don't think the repairs are a "1 week" fix. Maybe if you do nothing else it would be, I dunno. Pictures of the damage and maybe we can get a better idea...

But its all down to you... if you are looking to get into sailing next season, and you have a place to work on it... and your funds are quite low, this is a pretty great boat to start/learn on. Its not a "trailer sailor" in the strictest sense, that you won't want to launch it every time you sail... but as a home-stored seasonal boat, its a lot of boat. If your out of pocket expenses are $2000ish... then you have a winner! Just remember that fiberglass work is messy and involved, and that's sounds like it might be near load points, so you have to kind of take your time and do it right.

And yes your best bet will likely be to paint the boat, cause matching gelcoat is a bear.

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Re: Damaged Catalina 25 for a deal

anything on a fiberglass hull is fixable. if you have the time and the skills or are willing to learn the skills it can be fixed. that size boat can be painted while on the trailer. I would say the materials and tool will cost around $2k with paint. anyone that says it will cost a few hundred has not bought any boat stuff for a while. materials keep going up and the shipping or gasoline have to be considered in the cost.
So for around $3k and $5k worth of your labor you will have a useable boat. is saving $2k worth the TONS of work? not to me but it may be to you.

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She is a full keel with a custom trailer. You are right Shnool not out to make money, just trying to find a way to step into something bigger. Been trailer sailing with a 17 foot Siren for three years, and before that two years with a 20 ft Matilda. I like that she has a great sail inventory, is relatively new, and has a great owners group. I have looked at older model 25/27's but even a "cheap" catalina 25/27 is at least $3000 and you don't know what you're getting into. At least with this one the owners were very helpful going over the entire boat, not attempting to hide the damage, and providing receipts for what they have done. Appreciate all the responses and different opinions.
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Re: Damaged Catalina 25 for a deal

Patrick, can you post an actual picture of the damaged area? Are you telling us that both adjoining parts of the hull and deck are missing? The hull - deck joint is pretty important structurally and depending on the extent of the damage could be an expensive repair. Most likely it was too expensive for the current owner to justify the costs.

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Sorry I did not get a picture of the damage but the area is not missing, just crushed at the deck-hull seam about three inch's onto the deck. This has exposed the core of the deck where I highlighted in red. The hull did not receive much damage and because there are no stays or structural items in that area I thought a repair might be straight forward. I have done fibreglass repairs on a hull before but never on a cored deck so not sure what I was getting into. I am meeting with a gentleman on Friday that specialises in fiberglass repair and it will be interesting to see how much it might cost.
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So I hope this pictures shows the damaged area better (not the same boat). So the jib track is broken, the top deck is crushed two inches in, and minor damage to hull underneath. My biggest concern is the damage to the hull/deck seam in that area, though like I said it is very localised.
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