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i may just try that, myself. how did you know our boats were set up for that? i haven't seen anything in the material i read.

you have more than one, for this boat? you'd be willing to donate one?

i got a bunch of sails with it. not sure what i have and what it fits. haven't had the chance to go through them, yet.
I'm not sure what boats are and are not set up for flying spinnakers, however, I know ours are. . Although, you need a spinnaker pole and 5 dedicated lines to fly one! Obviously a spinnaker sheet up the mast. LOL.. I can give you the lengths you need for the others. I just bought new ones for my spinnaker this past season.
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Re: looking for past or present owners of 1970 through 73 cal 27s

i believe the spinnaker halyard is on there. only halyards are on the boat, at this time. i don't have any of the sheets. if you have the lengths of the sheets, that would be great info to have. also, do you have any close ups of the boom, to show how the mainsheet is run?
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that's pretty awesome. i would say, right off the bat, to keep the one that is best for you. the fact that you'd give me one, is totally generous. no need to screw yourself doing it.
LOL I'm not racing. So, we may come to an mid point. I don't need to 2 spinnakers for a fraction of a knots sake.. My willy is bigger than that. So, we'll figure it out.
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LOL I'm not racing. So, we may come to an mid point. I don't need to 2 spinnakers for a fraction of a knots sake.. My willy is bigger than that. So, we'll figure it out.
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i believe the spinnaker halyard is on there. only halyards are on the boat, at this time. i don't have any of the sheets. if you have the lengths of the sheets, that would be great info to have. also, do you have any close ups of the boom, to show how the mainsheet is run?
Ask and you shall receive; I have uploaded two images for the boom tack for the main sail. I think this is what you need. Look at my albums under Misc Illustrations.

The main sheet obviously goes straight up into one of two open slots on the top of the mast; doesn't matter which one you pick. I use one for the main sheet and one for my genoa.. NOTE: You'll need a sheet guide for the geneo sheet if you decide to use a furling system for the genny. I have a bolt on block for my my spinnaker. The main outhaul you can figure out obviously as it tacks to the boom..

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wow. that's generous. i have a spinnaker pole. not sure if any of these sails are actually for this boat, yet. i might just take you up on that offer.
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i call all my friends sir. but i know some people don't like that. for all the help you are giving me, saint might be a better title, anyway.
I'm of Mexican heritage.. Mexican born and 2 doctorals later I'm loving my life.. England was a bitch to Mexico via the occupation and really HATE being called sir.. I work just like my dad did and lets level the playing field. Makes it easier to swamp those that embrace deliverance. :O) YIKES. lol
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Well, I can appreciate the substantial experience you have FASTER. However, respectfully agree to disagree. Can you explain why builders would provision to craft a vessel with this option if it weren't to be utilized? .....
Despite the family similarity, I'd say there's a big difference between a Cal 27 and a Cal 39 - in strength, structure and intended use. If the plan is cruising to Mexico and doing a lot of beam/broad reaching then double headsails may make sense...

But to your specific point.. What did Cal do to allow rigging a 'staysail'? I confess to not being strongly familiar with that model.

Is there a properly reinforced chainplate for an inner stay on deck? or is it simply a central padeye/track bolted to an unsupported part of the deck, and probably originally intended for an old-school spinnaker staysail which is not the same thing at all?

Is the mast attachment a bail or tang and is it truly intended for an inner stay, or is it meant for a spinn pole topping lift?

That era of sailboats were strongly influenced by the IOR racing scene and staysails, bloopers and all sorts of things were done then that have 'faded' away with changes in designs and applicable rules and ratings.

I'm simply saying that if a 'cutter sloop' was the cats' meow we'd be seeing a lot more of them.
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Re: looking for past or present owners of 1970 through 73 cal 27s

Hi, Captain Jack,

About the 2nd headsail, try what my dad did when he was teaching me how to drive: on a fair day, find a place with a whole lot of nothing-to-run-into and practice with them. You can pick gradually more boisterous weather to practice in as you get more comfortable and skilled at handling them. They may come in handy one day.

"My plan was, in going down this coast, to haul offshore,
well clear of the land, which hereabouts is the home of pirates; but I
had hardly accomplished this when I perceived a felucca making out of
the nearest port, and finally following in the wake of the <i>Spray</i>.
Now, my course to Gibraltar had been taken with a view to proceed up
the Mediterranean Sea, through the Suez Canal, down the Red Sea, and
east about, instead of a western route, which I finally adopted. By
officers of vast experience in navigating these seas, I was influenced
to make the change. Longshore pirates on both coasts being numerous, I
could not afford to make light of the advice. But here I was, after
all, evidently in the midst of pirates and thieves! I changed my
course; the felucca did the same, both vessels sailing very fast, but
the distance growing less and less between us. The <i>Spray</i> was doing
nobly; she was even more than at her best; but, in spite of all I
could do, she would broach now and then. She was carrying too much
sail for safety. I must reef or be dismasted and lose all, pirate or
no pirate. I must reef, even if I had to grapple with him for my life.</p>

<p>I was not long in reefing the mainsail and sweating it up&mdash;probably
not more than fifteen minutes; but the felucca had in the meantime so
shortened the distance between us that I now saw the tuft of hair on
the heads of the crew,&mdash;by which, it is said, Mohammed will pull the
villains up into heaven,&mdash;and they were coming on like the wind. From
what I could clearly make out now, I felt them to be the sons of
generations of pirates, and I saw by their movements that they were
now preparing to strike a blow. The exultation on their faces,
however, was changed in an instant to a look of fear and rage. Their
craft, with too much sail on, broached to on the crest of a great
wave. This one great sea changed the aspect of affairs suddenly as the
flash of a gun. Three minutes later the same wave overtook the <i>Spray</i>
and shook her in every timber. At the same moment the sheet-strop
parted, and away went the main-boom, broken short at the rigging.
Impulsively I sprang to the jib-halyards and down-haul, and instantly
downed the jib. The head-sail being off, and the helm put hard down,
the sloop came in the wind with a bound. While shivering there, but a
moment though it was, I got the mainsail down and secured inboard,
broken boom and all. How I got the boom in before the sail was torn I
hardly know; but not a stitch of it was broken. The mainsail being
secured, I hoisted away the jib, and, without looking round, stepped
quickly to the cabin and snatched down my loaded rifle and cartridges
at hand; for I made mental calculations that the pirate would by this
time have recovered his course and be close aboard, and that when I
saw him it would be better for me to be looking at him along the
barrel of a gun. The piece was at my shoulder when I peered into the
mist, but there was no pirate within a mile. The wave and squall that
carried away my boom dismasted the felucca outright. I perceived his
thieving crew, some dozen or more of them, struggling to recover their
rigging from the sea. Allah blacken their faces!</p>

<p>I sailed comfortably on under the jib and forestaysail, which I now
set. I fished the boom and furled the sail snug for the night; then
hauled the sloop's head two points offshore to allow for the set of
current and heavy rollers toward the land. This gave me the wind three
points on the starboard quarter and a steady pull in the headsails. By
the time I had things in this order it was dark, and a flying-fish had
already fallen on deck. "

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Re: looking for past or present owners of 1970 through 73 cal 27s

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Despite the family similarity, I'd say there's a big difference between a Cal 27 and a Cal 39 - in strength, structure and intended use. If the plan is cruising to Mexico and doing a lot of beam/broad reaching then double headsails may make sense...

But to your specific point.. What did Cal do to allow rigging a 'staysail'? I confess to not being strongly familiar with that model.

Is there a properly reinforced chainplate for an inner stay on deck? or is it simply a central padeye/track bolted to an unsupported part of the deck, and probably originally intended for an old-school spinnaker staysail which is not the same thing at all?

Is the mast attachment a bail or tang and is it truly intended for an inner stay, or is it meant for a spinn pole topping lift?

That era of sailboats were strongly influenced by the IOR racing scene and staysails, bloopers and all sorts of things were done then that have 'faded' away with changes in designs and applicable rules and ratings.

I'm simply saying that if a 'cutter sloop' was the cats' meow we'd be seeing a lot more of them.
I appreciate the thought and think you have a point. However, I also believe market niche and economics play a large role in why we don't see more of these cats meow! Thanks for sharing your thought FASTER. I do appreciate it.
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