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Re: looking for past or present owners of 1970 through 73 cal 27s

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I appreciate the thought and think you have a point. However, I also believe market niche and economics play a large role in why we don't see more of these cats meow! Thanks for sharing your thought FASTER. I do appreciate it.
Good..I'm not trying to pick a fight!

Another reason the inner stay idea isn't as simple or effective as it seems it ought to be is the issue of tensioning the stay(s). Adding another stay shares the load and makes achieving proper tension on either stay difficult... Add to that the issue of mast sag at the inner attachment point and things get worse unless you add check stays - another added complication with its own structural requirements.. and another 'task' required on every tack... And on it goes
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Re: looking for past or present owners of 1970 through 73 cal 27s

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Hi, Captain Jack,

About the 2nd headsail, try what my dad did when he was teaching me how to drive: on a fair day, find a place with a whole lot of nothing-to-run-into and practice with them. You can pick gradually more boisterous weather to practice in as you get more comfortable and skilled at handling them. They may come in handy one day.

"My plan was, in going down this coast, to haul offshore,
well clear of the land, which hereabouts is the home of pirates; but I
had hardly accomplished this when I perceived a felucca making out of
the nearest port, and finally following in the wake of the <i>Spray</i>.
Now, my course to Gibraltar had been taken with a view to proceed up
the Mediterranean Sea, through the Suez Canal, down the Red Sea, and
east about, instead of a western route, which I finally adopted. By
officers of vast experience in navigating these seas, I was influenced
to make the change. Longshore pirates on both coasts being numerous, I
could not afford to make light of the advice. But here I was, after
all, evidently in the midst of pirates and thieves! I changed my
course; the felucca did the same, both vessels sailing very fast, but
the distance growing less and less between us. The <i>Spray</i> was doing
nobly; she was even more than at her best; but, in spite of all I
could do, she would broach now and then. She was carrying too much
sail for safety. I must reef or be dismasted and lose all, pirate or
no pirate. I must reef, even if I had to grapple with him for my life.</p>

<p>I was not long in reefing the mainsail and sweating it up&mdash;probably
not more than fifteen minutes; but the felucca had in the meantime so
shortened the distance between us that I now saw the tuft of hair on
the heads of the crew,&mdash;by which, it is said, Mohammed will pull the
villains up into heaven,&mdash;and they were coming on like the wind. From
what I could clearly make out now, I felt them to be the sons of
generations of pirates, and I saw by their movements that they were
now preparing to strike a blow. The exultation on their faces,
however, was changed in an instant to a look of fear and rage. Their
craft, with too much sail on, broached to on the crest of a great
wave. This one great sea changed the aspect of affairs suddenly as the
flash of a gun. Three minutes later the same wave overtook the <i>Spray</i>
and shook her in every timber. At the same moment the sheet-strop
parted, and away went the main-boom, broken short at the rigging.
Impulsively I sprang to the jib-halyards and down-haul, and instantly
downed the jib. The head-sail being off, and the helm put hard down,
the sloop came in the wind with a bound. While shivering there, but a
moment though it was, I got the mainsail down and secured inboard,
broken boom and all. How I got the boom in before the sail was torn I
hardly know; but not a stitch of it was broken. The mainsail being
secured, I hoisted away the jib, and, without looking round, stepped
quickly to the cabin and snatched down my loaded rifle and cartridges
at hand; for I made mental calculations that the pirate would by this
time have recovered his course and be close aboard, and that when I
saw him it would be better for me to be looking at him along the
barrel of a gun. The piece was at my shoulder when I peered into the
mist, but there was no pirate within a mile. The wave and squall that
carried away my boom dismasted the felucca outright. I perceived his
thieving crew, some dozen or more of them, struggling to recover their
rigging from the sea. Allah blacken their faces!</p>

<p>I sailed comfortably on under the jib and forestaysail, which I now
set. I fished the boom and furled the sail snug for the night; then
hauled the sloop's head two points offshore to allow for the set of
current and heavy rollers toward the land. This gave me the wind three
points on the starboard quarter and a steady pull in the headsails. By
the time I had things in this order it was dark, and a flying-fish had
already fallen on deck. "

~~ Captain Joshua Slocum,

Sailing Alone Around The World
good advice. interestingly timed quote. just this morning, while getting ready for work, i was watching a show about slocum's life.
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Re: looking for past or present owners of 1970 through 73 cal 27s

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I appreciate the thought and think you have a point. However, I also believe market niche and economics play a large role in why we don't see more of these cats meow! Thanks for sharing your thought FASTER. I do appreciate it.
i think a lot, if not most, of the trends in sailboats, for the last few decades has been because of perceived market niche.
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Good..I'm not trying to pick a fight!

Another reason the inner stay idea isn't as simple or effective as it seems it ought to be is the issue of tensioning the stay(s). Adding another stay shares the load and makes achieving proper tension on either stay difficult... Add to that the issue of mast sag at the inner attachment point and things get worse unless you add check stays - another added complication with its own structural requirements.. and another 'task' required on every tack... And on it goes
....but the boats are equipped with attachment points for such a staysail. there does have to be a reason for that.
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I'm not sure what boats are and are not set up for flying spinnakers, however, I know ours are. . Although, you need a spinnaker pole and 5 dedicated lines to fly one! Obviously a spinnaker sheet up the mast. LOL.. I can give you the lengths you need for the others. I just bought new ones for my spinnaker this past season.
i'm sorry. i was confusing in that post. when i asked how you knew our boats were set up for that, i was referring to the staysail, not a spinnaker. i was unclear about what i was referring to and then spoke about spinnakers. sorry

so, how did you discover our boats were set up for a second head sail?

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Re: looking for past or present owners of 1970 through 73 cal 27s

ok. i discovered that the prop is not on the end of the shaft. the water was amazingly clear today, especially for the chesapeake.
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Re: looking for past or present owners of 1970 through 73 cal 27s

hmm... one more thing to 'add to the list'
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Re: looking for past or present owners of 1970 through 73 cal 27s

inventoried the sails, too. and i learned a lesson, when a non-sailor tells you they have a bunch of sails to give you, it doesn't mean the same, to them, as it would if a sailor said they had a bunch of sails for you. lol.

it turns out that i have two spinnakers that could fit this boat. one head sail that is too small for the working jib ( according to sailrite sail specs ) yet too big for the storm jib. also, there is no main. not exactly a bunch. lol. it was hard to tell what i had, all piled together. oh well. i do still have the main from the boat i scrapped out.

while a spinnaker is nice to have, a proper main and jib are essential. i think what i should do is take all four sails to annapolis and see if i can barter for a main and the correct working jib. if Michael is still offering the spinnaker, then that would be my spinnaker. then i could just save for a genoa.

thoughts?

have any of you bartered for used sails, before? how does that usually work?
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Re: looking for past or present owners of 1970 through 73 cal 27s

jack get the actual measurements there is lots of fudge factor when you know the actual rather then size of the sails. My boat for example; I have a main from Cal 29. about a foot "taller" and about 6" less on the foot but it looks perfect on my boat.

PS i've seen boats with bloopers a spins... dead on water in mid summer..
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Re: looking for past or present owners of 1970 through 73 cal 27s

Jack it will be interesting to take a bunch of old sails to a consignment shop and try to get others in 'barter'.. I suspect you'll have to make a consignment deal, sell what you've got and buy others, but you never know till you try...

And Denise's advice to measure your boat as best you can is good.. 40 year old boats have plenty of time to have been modified or changed - and even in production boats can be 'tweaked' by the builder.
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