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pearson301 12-03-2012 08:45 AM

Tiller, rudder misalignment on Cal 24 Hunt
 
I have a Cal 24, Hunt design, hull number 63. My tiller and rudder are slightly out of alignment. Is this adjustable? Does it just have to "bend back"? I don't want to start loosening things, as I have visions of my rudder on the bottom.

Thanks,
Peter

Stumble 12-03-2012 02:24 PM

Re: Tiller, rudder misalignment on Cal 24 Hunt
 
Peter,

If I am not mistaken the Cal24 has a rudder shaft that comes up thru the boat, and a collar lock on the tiller that connects it to the rudder. You should be able to ease off the collar and reposition it pretty easily.

Faster 12-03-2012 03:20 PM

Re: Tiller, rudder misalignment on Cal 24 Hunt
 
Wouldn't something like that be keyed?

pearson301 12-03-2012 08:00 PM

Re: Tiller, rudder misalignment on Cal 24 Hunt
 
Stumble, you are right that the rudder shaft comes up through the boat. So I think you are saying I should be able to loosen the "collar lock" (not a term I'm familiar with.) and reposition. But Faster's response about it being keyed suggests I cannot reposition. Regardless, can I loosen things without fear of the rudder parting with the boat? What keeps the rudder and shaft attached?

Many thanks,
Peter

Stumble 12-03-2012 08:24 PM

Re: Tiller, rudder misalignment on Cal 24 Hunt
 
Peter,

Not many smaller boats use keyed rudder shafts. It can be done, but it's a lot of extra cost in machining, and generally not worth it. Just friction fitting is typically enough.

I don't know your boat, but most rudders have a retaining collar that actually holds them in place. The tiller usually mounts above this. So no generally loosing the tile rout of the boat isn't a concern. NOT that it couldn't happen. The upside is if it was that easy to get out, you likely have a bad retaining collar that needs fixing anyway :D.

If you don't have a retaining collar, then the bearing are likely to have enough friction to keep the rudder in the boat as well, so long as the rudder isn't under any stress at the time. And if it falls out... Well that's what snorkel gear is for. I can't tell you how many regattas have at least one person swimming for a dropped rudder.

There is a pretty good line drawing of how a rudder is attached at Marine Surveyor School

Faster 12-03-2012 08:50 PM

Re: Tiller, rudder misalignment on Cal 24 Hunt
 
Greg's probably right... and since it is out of alignment that likely wouldn't happen if in fact it were keyed...

sailortjk1 12-03-2012 08:54 PM

Re: Tiller, rudder misalignment on Cal 24 Hunt
 
I sailed a '78 Cal 25-II, Lapworth design for many years. I believe the Hunt's came out a little later.
These were very rudimentary boats if you ask me.
The rudder design on our Cal was simply a rudder post with 1 bolt that went through the post and connected the tiller head to the post.
I don't know if yours attaches the same way. I did find some photos of the Hunt Cal, but nothing that had a clear shot of the tiller attachment to the rudder, but I think it is something very similar. If so, I don't see how they could be misaligned, it was one thru bolt that held the two pieces together and than the tiller attached to the same fitting.
Are you sure it is misaligned, or perhaps the tiller itself is bent?

pearson301 12-04-2012 07:17 AM

Re: Tiller, rudder misalignment on Cal 24 Hunt
 
Thanks all. Next step is to get to the boat, hour away, and take a look. I'll report back.

Peter

Faster 12-04-2012 09:53 AM

Re: Tiller, rudder misalignment on Cal 24 Hunt
 
If you're worried about the rudder slipping out, make a rope loop of some sort and try to get it around the rudder and tie it securely to a stern cleat to prevent the drop while you remove/loosen the tiller head. You might need a helping hand and a boat hook to snag the blade.. and to push the rope off afterwards..

sailortjk1 12-04-2012 10:42 AM

Re: Tiller, rudder misalignment on Cal 24 Hunt
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Faster (Post 956777)
If you're worried about the rudder slipping out, make a rope loop of some sort and try to get it around the rudder and tie it securely to a stern cleat to prevent the drop while you remove/loosen the tiller head. You might need a helping hand and a boat hook to snag the blade.. and to push the rope off afterwards..

Yes, excellent advise, I do believe that it will float as I remember ours being Foam Filled. Maybe not the next generation though. Easy enough to put something under it to prevent a ton of headaches if it doesn't.


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