Interesting how the old C-38 brochure lists Frank Butler as the designer. He had nothing to do with that design!
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Looks like the 380 ate too many bon-bons and got a big ass! (Thanks Cam.) I imagine that along with the changes, the overbuilt and over rigged C38 went by the wayside. I like the look of the older, more classic lines.
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Did Frank Butler ever work at S&S? I wrote an article on the history of Catalina for Good Old Boat several years ago and talked for hours with him on the phone and at the Naptown boat show. He never mentioned working at S&S. I recall that 38 was designed for another manufacturer and Butler bought the molds when that outfit folded.
Btw, he is quite a guy. And he knows exactly what he is doing with his boats to meet the needs of his customers.
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Sailing winged keels since 1989. 1.20.09 Bush's last day the end of an error !! Hopefully we still have a constitution and economy left by then.
"Compassion and tolerance are not a sign of weakness, but a sign of strength." The Dalai Lama
good planets are hard to find-- a song by steve forbert
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know no way of judging the future but by the past.-- Patrick Henry.
I believe that Butler took the S&S hull and redesigned some stuff on deck and mast etc. for Catalina.
Yes, that is probably more like it.
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Sailing winged keels since 1989. 1.20.09 Bush's last day the end of an error !! Hopefully we still have a constitution and economy left by then.
"Compassion and tolerance are not a sign of weakness, but a sign of strength." The Dalai Lama
good planets are hard to find-- a song by steve forbert
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know no way of judging the future but by the past.-- Patrick Henry.
..... I wrote an article on the history of Catalina for Good Old Boat several years ago and talked for hours with him on the phone and at the Naptown boat show. He never mentioned working at S&S. .....
Btw, he is quite a guy. And he knows exactly what he is doing with his boats to meet the needs of his customers.
Sailor Mitch:
I'm sure your information is better than mine and I stand corrected. Not sure where I heard that but it was some time ago and unfortunately it stuck.
Thanks for the correction. And I agree that Catalina has done an excellent job of meeting the market demands and more significantly a great job of updating older designs to appeal to changing markets.
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and I stand corrected. Not sure where I heard that but it was some time ago and unfortunately it stuck.
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