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Hey Alex, if we come can we get to meet the kid in the boat next to yours? Will he be sailing with us?
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Alex,

Had a few minutes and stopped off in your Common Sense thread. Do you ever start any SHORT threads?

Anyway, you reference licencing for captains in Portugal if they are not on their own boat. How does that affect this planned trip? Would we have to have a Portuguese captain on each boat?

If so, can I get a fast one? I think you or Alexandre would be nice! Not that I want or need an advantage. It's just that I am old and want to be win.

OH, and it is possible that Siamese is an evil twin. Maybe his good brother would like to join this group.
Tom, and all, yes you will need a Portuguese skipper in each boat, unless you or any have licences. (another possibility is if we sail inside the 5 mile circle around the marina, you guys can sail as part of a sailing school agreement they have with the Navy for instruction), but that needs confirm also because everyone will see us racing around the boueys.

But, I had planned that all coming, (if possible, and I mean if possible means I need to conform this with the Portuguese Navy, to be sure), all coming would sit the exams in one of the days, (where me and Alexandre will help with the English, and the logistics), and all would leave with a "basic Skipper" or "Sailing Sportsman" licence. For that we would all have to swim a short distance and show a few boat moves to the inspectors, like tacking, docking, etc. That is what I also had planned.

Anyway, I spoke yesterday with Bernardo, the owner of the boats and sailing school, and we're coming up with prices etc.

Right now I have planned at least 4 days at sea from 9 to 5, meaning 4 hours in the morning, break for lunch in the cascais marina, and 4 hours in the pm.

The first day would be spent for you guys to adapt to the boats, and in the pm a sailing trip to Lisbon (small 25 mile passage).

Day 3 a race in the am and another small cruise around, then the last 2 days we make races and cruises around. All very relaxed.

Off course the more days we use the more expensive it gets. And we have to figure out hotels and transportation.


One of the problems I see now is that the US dollar is so low, and what may seem cheap for us, may be expensive for you guys, because we still have to add the cost of fares, and accomodation here (unless you guys camp in my garage!! ehehehe...

Bernardo said he was giving me a special price of 400 Euros per day per boat (all inclusive). If we crew each boat with 5 people it will cost $480 US dollars per person for the boats alone.

Right now I think this is something that will cost each of the people coming:

$600 to $1000 Airfare return to Lisbon, some of you may get better deals in the US thru the net providers.

$690 for accomodation in real nice Hotel, for 6 nights, cheaper maybe if I get these guys to give us a better rate, most probably yes, I think I can get a deal for $450 per person.
Add to that food.

$500 for food for the 6 days eating good in Antonio's place, maybe cheaper.

Transportation we'll figure out something with my cars and Alexandre, but I would say $100 per person, since you'll be sharing the cab between 4 or 5 people.

So we're looking at:

So right now the whole 6 days, including the airfare at $1000 bucks, the boats, hotel, food etc. we're looking at $2600 per person.

Please guys, the more join in the cheaper it gets.

Please jpin in will you??

Like I said, these are values I am calculating now, that can get lower.

Do you think its feasable?
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Hey Alex, if we come can we get to meet the kid in the boat next to yours? Will he be sailing with us?
If you're nice to me, I can actually get him on your boat...but you need to be real nice.
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Man, that sounds like a lot of fun, I may be interested depending on the dates that get set, etc. Definitely sounds like my kinda vacation. Leave the wife and son in NY on the way over - hahahaha.
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Fantastic plan, Giu. Absolutely wonderful!
I depend a little bit on the dates (it would make it easier if 2 out of the 5 days were a weekend) but in any case I would try to fit it in my agenda, which I can usually manage at my convenience. So only if I had some unavoidable event or commitment I would have to miss it
Thanks a lot for the idea and for the time you devoted!
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Where am I, and where's my paddle?

It's not impossible, it just costs more.

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I want to remind all that this is an invitation to ladies too.

Please, ladies, we need some brains in the event.

Right now it looks like the first week of May. Bernardo starts the summer in May till November and has the boats already booked solid.

I spoke with him and right now we're aiming for end of April, early May. Several reasons also.

Not rain, excellent wind and temperature (not to hot not too cold), not turists yet so Hotel rates are wonderfull, and what better than the end of Spring??

The cost calculations are in US Dollars already.

Looks like this is coming together.

Right now I can see:

Alex
Max
Max'x wife Mechele
Bestfriend
SD
Tommyt
Charlie
Tenuki ??
Teshannon??

That's 9, I think Fred will align in it too, if you guys don't mind the kid, if its a burden he doesn't come.

We can do it so we have 2 of the days over a weekend. No problem.

C'mon guys....sign in, and lets go...once in a life time opportunity....
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You'll have to leave me as a maybe for the moment. I'm really interested in going but may have a work assignment about then. Although I'm retired the chance to make some $s for the boat is something I can't pass up. On top of that I promised my wife and married kids I'd take all of them to Ireland in the Fall. I know, why go to Ireland and sit in pubs when you can sail in Portugal. I can't afford both so I'll have to see how that works out. Not sure how long it will take to sort out so keep me down as a maybe at this time.
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No problem
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... it looks like this is taking shape (too good a plan to miss it).

Giu, I have checked the dates you mentioned and, for instance, if it was Wednesday 30th of April through Sunday 4th of Maym that would be a done deal for me (as the Thursday 1st of May holiday would make it pretty easy). Other dates may work too but but I would have to confirm once the dates are set.


Edit: I actually have the Spanish license that allows me to sail a boat up to 20 mts. up to 60 miles from the shore (I don't know if this accountable).

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