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I should really "proof" read before posting ... sorry for the typos ... I can assure you, your provisioning package will not includes "snakes" ... Rather, "snacks" will be in whatever size order you make!

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With regard to adult beverages, I think one of our party brought a couple of bottles of wine.
I bring the coco-lopez and pineapple juice, tomato juice, worchester sauce, horseradish..
and we pick up the rum and vodka there for bloody mary's and pain-killers. I think we may have brought coffee filters with us too. Lemons and limes we get there.

Last time we filled in most of the items we needed at the grocery store in roadtown on the
1st day, It was a short walk from the moorings after that it was odds and ends as we went.

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Rather than loading up the boat with tons of food for the week, is it naive to think that I can get away with buying some essentials to get us going (and for emergencies when we can't get to shore) and then buying food where the locals buy food on the various islands that we visit? They have to buy food somewhere, correct?

Our preferred way to travel is to wander around neighborhoods, eat where the locals rather than tourists eat (OK, we will be going to Foxy's) and see how people in other countries live. Isn't there street food available?
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I've been sailing the BVI since 1982, first on charters and since on deliveries and my own boat.

The biggest issue you will have with your concept is that there are few places within reasonable walking distance of most anchorages to do much fill-in purchasing except for canned goods and some odd frozen bits. On the smaller islands many people plan their shopping around monthly trips to Tortola and use the same delivery services charterers do to have food put on the inter-island ferries to pick up at the dock.

For a big basic shop at the beginning of your trip I strongly recommend ordering ahead from one of the big three provisioning companies for delivery to your boat. You won't regret it, especially for heavy stuff like water, drinks, and alcohol.

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Ample Hamper was the first of the yacht provisioning company. After many years as the only game in town--and good reviews--they have faded a bit. Their on-line ordering system was still pretty good the last time I looked.

Bobby's Marketplace is a major player in grocery in BVI. The provisioning department is in the main facility in Roadtown and fills orders as food comes across the loading dock so you will get the best they have to offer.

Riteway / RTW is the other major player in grocery. Some things are better at Bobby's and others at RTW. The biggest difference is that the Bobby's online presence is easier to navigate.

What you buy depends in great part on your itinerary. You can do a bit of fill in shopping in Spanish Town, North Sound, East End (Trellis / Marina Cay), Great Harbour JVD, and West End (Soper's Hole). The only good place is in Soper's. I have phoned in an order to Bobby's to pick up in Trellis Bay or Cane Garden Bay.

As I said on the chat I do suggest carrying your own spices from your own kitchen to avoid the expense of buying whole jars of spice. The exception is for curries and peppers -- Sunny Caribbee has some great choices and I bring curry powders back every trip. Bring tea bags if you have a favorite. Personally I avoid traveling with coffee because of the association with drug trafficking; call me paranoid if you will but I do try to avoid fitting into profiles.

A lot depends on food preferences of your group. Big breakfast/light lunch crowd or opposite? Recognize there are some realities of the subtropics, such as the rapid deterioration of bread.

You've said you're going for seven days.

Let's walk through a trip and consider the implications. You have lots of time to think about this -- if you get a food order in a couple of weeks ahead you'll be fine.

First day out of Roadtown I like to go to Cooper Island. My thinking is that it is a pleasant close reach for a couple of hours, gets you a bit upwind in Sir Frances Drake Channel, and avoids the crowd starting the same day as you who flock to Norman Island. It is also the best sunset in the BVI. Grab a mooring and head into the Beach Club. We usually have a couple of drinks and an appetizer and head back to the boat for dinner, but your group might stay for dinner ashore. You know your folks better than we can; talk it over.

Day 2 - breakfast then leave for the Baths. Earlier is better to avoid other charterers and the cruise ship crowds if a ship is in port. Check the schedule - let me know if you can't find it. I take an NPT ball at the far South end and land my crew on the beach at Devils Bay before tying the dinghy to the dinghy line and swimming in. You'll go through the Baths in the reverse direction of most people but it just doesn't make any difference. Walk up the hill afterwards for lunch at the Top of the Baths and then walk down the hill on the other side to Devil's Bay. Sail to Marina Cay or Trellis Bay for the night. There is a Pusser's Restaurant on Marina Cay that is decent with a great view. The Last Resort Restaurant on Bellamy Cay in Trellis is fun if a bit loud for my taste.

Day 3 - breakfast then leave for snorkeling at the dogs. Something for lunch on the boat afterward that is easy to eat in hand during your afternoon sail to North Sound. Anchor off Mosquito Island or Prickley Pear, take a mooring at Leverick Bay or Saba Rock, and settle in. My choice is usually to anchor and eat aboard. If you want to eat ashore my choice would be Leverick Bay but Saba Rock is nice also. BEYC is expensive and over-rated.

Day 4 - breakfast aboard and start for Anegada between 8.30 and 9. You'll want high sun your first time into the anchorage there. Make dinner reservations for lobster (not my favorite but something everyone should do once - they are more like giant crawfish than Maine lobster). Some people like Anegada Reef Hotel or even Potters better. Pick one. Grab a cab to Cow Wreck Beach and have lunch there. Ask for Walker Magnum and tell him Dave on Auspicious says hi if he is on island. Cab back to the harbor.

Day 5 - breakfast aboard and head Southwest toward JVD. This is your big sailing day. Lunch underway. On the 32 you have reserved I'd squeeze in some time on Day 4 to bang together some tuna salad or something. If you have eaten dinner aboard and chose to make chicken you could have made extra and make chicken salad. Mid-afternoon or earlier you should make Sandy Spit which is worth a visit for a romp on the beach. Head into Little Harbour and grab a ball. Dinner aboard or at Sydneys or Harris. Alternatively head into Great Harbour for Foxy's or Corsairs.

Day 6 - breakfast aboard and hop around the corner to White Bay and lunch at Soggy Dollar Bar. Sail to Norman Island and have dinner and drinks on the Willy T or Pirates or both.

Day 7 - breakfast aboard, get lunch ready and sail back to Roadtown. There's no magic bullet here, but it should be clear that food and itinerary are linked. It should also be clear that the provisioning packages from the charter companies are too big for just about everyone, and don't recognize people's individual tastes.

There are as many answers as there are people.

My suggestion is to get your crew together a few times as your plans progress and keep them involved. That's part of the fun and anticipation.

You'll have a tough time making bad decisions.
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Thanks Dave for taking the time to post this. Everyone's input is going into the discussion with the other couple.

A lot of food for thought.

So, I'm getting the impression that there are no "locals" places to eat, no street food vendor types of places and if we find any, it'll be sheer dumb luck. Bummer.

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No street food. Not many streets. More likely to find bakerys. Local places are most likely to be Roti places up the streets in Roadtown. Spend a few days in one place and get to know the locals and you may find a few other places but they change over time so hard to find except on the spot.

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Been scratching my head over the local eatery question. Maybe I just haven't looked hard enough since we cook a lot on the boat.

You're going to have a taxi-van ride whether you get to Tortola by ferry or plane so ask the driver about local places to eat. S/he probably won't be much help far from wherever s/he lives.

Roti Palace in Roadtown is reasonably local. It's a bit of a hike from the Sunsail base but might fit into your schedule if you have an evening start. You should pass the Sunny Caribbee spice shop which is a plus.

Christine's bakery in Great Harbour is good - I think they serve breakfast.

Dotsy's in The Settlement on Anegada makes good homemade pizza.

Not local but a bit obscure is the Sandbox on Prickly Pear Island in North Sound -- it's open when it's open.

Not provisioning related are some other thoughts:

In North Sound watch for Anouk who sells jewelry and t-shirts from her dinghy. She lives aboard with her son at anchor near Prickley Pear. She cruised for many years but grew roots in the BVI and has been running her small business there for a couple of decades.

You can get t-shirts all over, but some of the best are at Sydney's Peace & Love in Little Harbour JVD and Soggy Dollar Bar in White Bay JVD. Regardless I pack for charters expecting to buy shirts. Pack light. Take extra money. *grin*

I talked in an earlier post about people on smaller islands doing their grocery shopping on Tortola. It's worth noting that there are incredible numbers of people in the BVI that take the ferry to Red Hook and shop at Cost-U-Less on St. Thomas. The whole food distribution network is based in the USVI and food gets older and with less variety as it gets further into the minor islands.

For walkabout and getting off the beaten track your best stops will be anywhere on Tortola, Spanish Town (properly "The Valley"), Anegada, and any of the three anchorages on JVD (prepare to hike major hills). On Tortola stopping in Trellis (to explore East End) and Soper's (to explore West End) will save a lot of cab fares. From Soper's there is a dinghy canal going East that quickly gets you into residential areas.

I'm sure I'll think of other things.

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Our first 2 trips we provisioned with the moorings provisioning options. It worked out well both times, but we did have food left over. A lot less the second trip. 3rd trip we used Sunsail provisioning which allowed us to choose from a list of items, rather then picking specific meals - more like shopping at a market. Last trip we used Bobby's and will probably use them moving forward. It's a spreadsheet and you just pick the items you want and they deliver it.

What we've learned after our 4 trips now is that eating out adds up very quickly. I don't think we've ever spent less than $100 between my wife and I for any dinner. So the $200 per person we roughly figure for food really doesn't seem so unreasonable. That still leaves us with a few meals ashore, such as a couple of dinners, maybe a lunch and/or breakfast.

We also don't get everything right at the start. We've stocked up at Soper's hole, VGYH, Leverick Bay and Scrub Island. It doesn't take long and they have most things you need.

The biggest thing to think about is how much will you want to eat ashore vs on the boat? That's really the biggest factor in how much you should order. For the first trip, its really hard to know, so you could always provision less to start.
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Whether you provision yourself, pay the charter company or a third party, I would be careful not to skinny it down too much. It is vacation after all and the last thing you want to have is a food crisis, because you ran low and must find provisions. You really want freedom to do as you choose, not as you must, and that probably leaves a few provisions left over at the end of the trip.


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When we went to SVG a few years ago we just packed a few plastic tubs full of food from our Wisconsin grocery store. It was all within our baggage limit (our other baggage was not too extensive). Not so sure that would work with baggage charges of the current era.
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