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Re: Navigating Hart-Miller/Pleasure Island Cut

Unless you keep your boat in Middle River or anchor in Hawk Cove, there is no advantage.
We went up the Middle River to Sue Creek on Monday after an eveing in Worton Creek. and then tested the cut as we home at Rock Creek on the Patapsco. I saw only 6 ft and then 5.8 so I turned around. It was 5 hours into ebb tide so it was almost at its lowest point. The channel was wider than I rememeber also 5 years ago.

I probably could have continued like Gary said he saw 8, but decided the extra half hour was better for peace of mind. Let me kn ow if you try it and what you find.

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I saw only 6 ft and then 5.8 so I turned around.

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Re: Navigating Hart-Miller/Pleasure Island Cut

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Unless you keep your boat in Middle River or anchor in Hawk Cove, there is no advantage.
We went up the Middle River to Sue Creek on Monday after an eveing in Worton Creek. and then tested the cut as we home at Rock Creek on the Patapsco. I saw only 6 ft and then 5.8 so I turned around. It was 5 hours into ebb tide so it was almost at its lowest point. The channel was wider than I rememeber also 5 years ago.

I probably could have continued like Gary said he saw 8, but decided the extra half hour was better for peace of mind. Let me kn ow if you try it and what you find.

Dave
I do keep my boat in Middle River and it would cut quite a bit when going to Baltimore or anywhere on the Patapsco.

Then again, it is years I did this the last time...
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Re: Navigating Hart-Miller/Pleasure Island Cut

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I do keep my boat in Middle River and it would cut quite a bit when going to Baltimore or anywhere on the Patapsco.
Not by my calculations. It is only a savings oif 1/4 mile if in Middle River

I would suggest you measure on your charts or Navionics program like just did. It will save you exactly 1/4 mile to take the shortcut through there from Middle Rover . It is also a 1/4 mile you will not be able to sail. You stilll have to track out to the Craighill Channel to make the North Point shoal at the end of the Patapsco. If you dont goi out to the Channel you will fight the hundreds of crab pots always present in the shallower waters off of North Point.

Choosing to save 15 minutes or so by motoring dodging crab pots and white knuckling through the narrow shoal area vrs. sailing ...well the chioce is made for me.

However if you anchored in Hawk Cove then it can be a greater time savings as you dont have to backtrack.

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Not by my calculations. It is only a savings oif 1/4 mile if in Middle River

I would suggest you measure on your charts or Navionics program like just did. It will save you exactly 1/4 mile to take the shortcut through there from Middle Rover . It is also a 1/4 mile you will not be able to sail. You stilll have to track out to the Craighill Channel to make the North Point shoal at the end of the Patapsco. If you dont goi out to the Channel you will fight the hundreds of crab pots always present in the shallower waters off of North Point.

Choosing to save 15 minutes or so by motoring dodging crab pots and white knuckling through the narrow shoal area vrs. sailing ...well the chioce is made for me.

However if you anchored in Hawk Cove then it can be a greater time savings as you dont have to backtrack.

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REALLY? Honestly, I never checked carefully. It seemed visually a lot closer.
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Re: Navigating Hart-Miller/Pleasure Island Cut

Dave is right on the money about the crab pot dance at the end of the channel. They are really tight out there and getting through them without snagging them is a real struggle.

The only reason I went through the cut that day was I was anticipating anchoring up for the night there. However, the wind picked up favorably and I sailed through Hawk Cove like a shot and kept going. Normally I would have went outside, which is just a short distance difference to the Patapsco.

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Re: Navigating Hart-Miller/Pleasure Island Cut

It seems there are areas this year where the crab pots have been laid by scatterbrains. There is no rhyme or reason to figuring them out in a line and one you are in the middle of the field it is like the astronomical Globular Cluster Nebulea.

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Re: Navigating Hart-Miller/Pleasure Island Cut

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It seems there are areas this year where the crab pots have been laid by scatterbrains. There is no rhyme or reason to figuring them out in a line and one you are in the middle of the field it is like the astronomical Globular Cluster Nebulea.

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Perhaps Rock Hall has been given a respite from the pots. Our last couple of trips out we've only sailed past two lines and they were NOT in the channel, amazingly.

Perhaps our pots picked up and decided to annoy someone else for a change.

Knock on wood.
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It seems there are areas this year where the crab pots have been laid by scatterbrains. There is no rhyme or reason to figuring them out in a line and one you are in the middle of the field it is like the astronomical Globular Cluster Nebulea.

Dave
Yes, it is bad this year.

Two weeks ago I caught two simultaneously, a personal record for me. I suppose the first was my fault: I had a friend drive the boat and although I had instructed her carefully what to do, she snagged one. Although she was on the tiller, it was still my responsibility as skipper. We hove to and I managed to get it off but while I was busy doing it, we drifted onto another one. No way really to avoid that one. And it was really stuck so I had to cut it loose.

Should we start a new thread on tricks about how to get free from a crab pot? I don't have any, other than an 11' long pole, acquired for this specific purpose...
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Should we start a new thread on tricks about how to get free from a crab pot? I don't have any, other than an 11' long pole, acquired for this specific purpose...
Good idea

Our boat loves to snag crab pots, either on the skeg or the prop, sail or power. I too caught two pots in a very similar situation as you described at the mouth of Worton Creek a few years ago. I have only had to cut a line once, it was so wrapped up in the prop I really had no choice, the other times I have been able to get it off by diving in or using a boat hook.
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