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I agree that bottom painting is a do it yourself task, that is once the bottom has been painted and you thus know where to apply the paint. That said it might be worth it to have them do the first time. I would not want to be the one taping the waterline for the virgin coat of paint as I have no idea how to go about doing that part of the job.

I do disagree that decent paint has to be over $175 a gallon. Hydrocoat is advertised at West Marine (not known as the low priced source) for under $140 a gallon and it is way better than decent. It's pretty darn good for the Chesapeake in my experience and its rated well in PS evaluations in the Chessy and FL as well.

The only reason I'm considering going to Ultima SR is the "SR". Hydrocoat doesn't have an anti-slime additive. Price will play a part in my decision though and if I think the Ultima is too high when I need paint, I'll have no qualms about sticking with Hydrocoat and having the bottom wiped down by a diver a couple of times a year.

I know plenty of owners paying for the expensive paint that still have their bottoms scrubbed a few times a year, so I'm not at all certain I'll see better results even if I decide to try the Ultima SR40.
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As a relative newbe, I really appreciate all this advice. Both owners of this boat are horse vets with unending access to oxytetracycline... now I know what to do with all those out of date bottles...

The boat is on a trailer, so will not need hauling. But I guess then need to put it on a cradle to paing, etc.

I don't think we will need to hire divers, we can haul it out and clean from time to time. I think the best thing may be to let the yard do the first paint job and we will see what happens in subsequent years. At least htat way if the water line gets messed up, we can blame someone else..

I will ask some specific questions about what they are using.
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[QUOTE=Tazsprout;708626]....I think the best thing may be to let the yard do the first paint job and we will see what happens in subsequent years...../QUOTE]

That makes good sense.
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The diver may become a thing of the past soon with the environmental concerns.
Not likely. Because even the geniuses who determine water quality policy are waking up to the fact that it's not in-water hull cleaning activities that are the probem, it's the paint's load of toxin that is the problem. That toxin is leaching into the water 24/7, whether or not you have a diver clean your bottom. What is much more likely to happen is a move away from copper as an anti foulant and towards a different metal, like zinc. In areas of moderate or high fouling, in-water hull cleaning is a necessary part of boat maintenance (regardless of which paint is on the hull) and cannot be easily dispensed with.

FYI- Senate Bill 623 is before the state legislature in Sacramento right now. If adopted into law, it would prohibit the manufacture, sale and distribtion of copper bottom paints in California beginning 2015.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/...introduced.pdf

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Not likely.
Divers have already been banned in the cove where my new marina is located. I don't know if that is the town, state, marina or DEM that proclaimed it.

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FYI- Senate Bill 623 is before the state legislature in Sacramento right now. If adopted into law, it would prohibit the manufacture, sale and distribtion of copper bottom paints in California beginning 2015.
I thought you recently suggested that legislation like this would be far off and using environmentally friendly paints wasn't that critical, yet. I may not recall correctly.
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I do disagree that decent paint has to be over $175 a gallon. Hydrocoat is advertised at West Marine (not known as the low priced source) for under $140 a gallon and it is way better than decent. It's pretty darn good for the Chesapeake in my experience and its rated well in PS evaluations in the Chessy and FL as well.

The only reason I'm considering going to Ultima SR is the "SR". Hydrocoat doesn't have an anti-slime additive. Price will play a part in my decision though and if I think the Ultima is too high when I need paint, I'll have no qualms about sticking with Hydrocoat and having the bottom wiped down by a diver a couple of times a year.
FWIW ... in the low-salinity of the upper Chesapeake 'most' of the bargain ablatives no longer seem to be offering adequate protection, especially in those areas that have low flow ... and that includes the Bohemia R. Only the top-shelf anti-slime ablatives seem to be 'working' well, such as Micron-extra, etc. and then, as with all ablatives, unless you often sail the boat on a minimum regularr basis (at least ~weekly) so that the slime is released you can still be plagued by barnacles, even with the 'top-self' anti-slime paints.

Ditto the 'anti barnacle' coatings for prop/strut/shaft ... because of the recent 'water changes' over the past 3-4 years, the increased nutrient burden and extremely high turbidity coming down the Susquehanna R., etc. even such products as Petit Barnacle Barrier is no longer protecting the underwater metals. (... worse, the infamous zebra mussels are now 'coming down' the Susquehanna and only time will tell if they will 'explode' on the low salinity upper Chesapeake). Hopefully the prevailing winds will change back to SW'er that better 'mix' the bay waters and we can once again enjoy less problems.
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Divers have already been banned in the cove where my new marina is located. I don't know if that is the town, state, marina or DEM that proclaimed it.
There are private marinas in this state that do not allow in-water hull cleaning as well. That does not mean it is likely to be banned statewide. Unless you can provide details about the situation you are describing, it is of little use regarding a discussion of the future of in-water hull cleaning.

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I thought you recently suggested that legislation like this would be far off and using environmentally friendly paints wasn't that critical, yet. I may not recall correctly.
You are correct- sort of. I did say that the Department of Pesticide Regulation (which has authority over anti fouling paints in California) has no plans to ban copper. I said nothing about a ban coming from the the State Legislature, however. The DPR will be re-evaluating all copper-based anti fouling paints available in this state, with an eye towards reformulating them with lower copper content and release rates. SB 623 came out of left field (and was introduced less than a month ago) and is separate from the usual regulatory process regarding anti fouling paint.

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I hope you are right Fastbottom. Our diver is great and he has been invaluable. There is a talk of a new MD law prohibiting them working on the bottoms of boats mainly aimed at in water hull cleaning ..we actualy just signed a petition against that in the club. The law had no mention of CU based bttom paints.
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As RichH said...dont cheap out on bottom paints....i think you will regret it
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I hope you are right Fastbottom. Our diver is great and he has been invaluable. There is a talk of a new MD law prohibiting them working on the bottoms of boats mainly aimed at in water hull cleaning ..we actualy just signed a petition against that in the club. The law had no mention of CU based bttom paints.
I'm actually having a discussion about this with a Maryland hull diver right now over on Cruisers Forum. We're going over the discharge permit and I think I've shown that in-water hull cleaning is not prohibited. It seems the cleaning of ablative paints is, but not hull cleaning in general.

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