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Not one nice Marina from Trenton to Essington, Pa

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I sail alot on the Delaware River and in NY Harbor. There seems to be a dearth of nice marinas in NY Harbor in NYC as well as NJ. Some have some really nice restaurants, and some of them even have pools.

Why does the Philadelphia area have such crappy marinas. Helk, the Philadelphia Marine Center doesn't even dredge their marina.

I tell you. The boating experience on the Delaware River is getting worse and worse. I am thinking about moving my boat to the Sandy Hook area or Jersey City area. Yes I'll pay more but at least I'll get services and amenities.

Any thoughts on this?

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Since you asked;

"thoughts"

You made a blanket statement without really asking first.

Frankly, it's rather rude to those of us that really try to help Delaware river sailors find meaning in having a boat on the river. I'm one of those people. There are others.

"Delaware River Recreational Sailors" is the group I'm trying to grow. Membership of 3 so far LOL Uh, No it's not listed anywhere. There is a get together planned for May 5th at Delaware City.

Join a Yacht club, 30 of em all up and down the river. DRYL.org
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Curtains, nice, Neshaminy State Marina, ok; Riverside, Winters and snug harbor are good, silting is a problem everywhere. Phila is $$ and silted in as you know. Essington has some really nice clubs and marina's.

It's not great, but those of us on the river try to make the best of it! From my house, on the water with sails up; I can do in way less then an hour, A Big PLUS!

There are lots of activities sailing related, races are abundant also. There are 20, 30ft and larger sailboats in my YC alone, most of them race every week.

Amenities may be lacking.. but aren't they for those not out on the water?

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Tactfully put deniseO30.
NY Harbor may also have been slighted, not that I particularly care. In NY Harbor there is Liberty Landing Marina which I have never hear anyone complain about the amenities (prices, yes). Almost anything around NYC or Philly will be $$$$.
NY Harbor is not really my cup of tea because of boat traffic, currents and lack of natural setting which is why we keep our boat up by the Tappan Zee where it is naturally scenic and there is a lot more river where you can sail.
Sandy Hook has at least 1 club and there is even the Raritan Yacht Club. You might be surprised when you start looking.
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I will say that Pump outs are a problem on the River, hard to find and the few that are found don't work very well. D & S's works very well for $10 up in TullyTown PA, High tide best for keel boats.

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For $52/2 years for boat registration and one time sales tax maybe we are getting more value than MD. At $40/ft/season I get a marina with clean toilets, free ice and friendly dock neighbors.

I am on the Delaware River because it is convenient, 20 mins from my house to the boat outside rush hour, and the Delaware Bay and Chesapeake Bay are only a day sail away.

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Hi folks,

I sail alot on the Delaware River and in NY Harbor. There seems to be a dearth of nice marinas in NY Harbor in NYC as well as NJ. Some have some really nice restaurants, and some of them even have pools.

Why does the Philadelphia area have such crappy marinas. Helk, the Philadelphia Marine Center doesn't even dredge their marina.

I tell you. The boating experience on the Delaware River is getting worse and worse. I am thinking about moving my boat to the Sandy Hook area or Jersey City area. Yes I'll pay more but at least I'll get services and amenities.

Any thoughts on this?
I have a couple problems with the premise of your question.

How exactly do you define "nice"? From your post, it seems like you define it by restaurants and pools.

Marinas anywhere will only survive if there is sufficient demand for their amenities for them to charge enough to cover their cost (with an acceptable profit margin). So why don't marinas in Philly and NYC have these amenities? Probably because there are already so many nice restaurants and pools nearby! There is no demand for "country club" marinas in this area.

Like Ulladh and Denise, I define "nice" as 1) quick to get to from my home; 2) well enough maintained that I can trust my boat will not get beat up, and I can practice good hygiene on shore; 3) fair value for my money; 4) nice neighbors. I pay $1053/year for in-season slip (including electric and water, and I could pay only $975 if I wanted a shorter finger pier) and $300/year for winter storage on the hard. I dare anyone to find a better value.

Personally, I don't care about restaurant, pool, or fancy amenities. I want to sail and go home, not hang around the docks. Although, I do walk around and say hello to people when I'm there.

If you want a swimming pool, you can consider Corinthian YC in Essington, which has pool, huge clubhouse, and even skeet shooting. You'll need to rent a mooring ball from them. Prepare to pay $$$. And wear your ascot. lol

If you want dredging, they're doing just that at West End Boat Club, where I am a member. Rates are similar to what Ulladh pays, and it's a very friendly place.

Riverside and Winters both seem to be very well maintained marinas with good (but not fancy) facilities.

The Delaware River is the Delaware River - strong currents, 6-8' tidal swing, narrow tacking space, but very close and convenient. No marina is going to change that.

So what, exactly, are you looking for?


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Philadelphia Marine Center has deeper slips closer to the wake protection and a whole neighborhood of great restaurants in Northern Liberties just across Delaware Ave, or a short few blocks to Yards Brewery, Sugarhouse Casino and more great restaurants in Fishtown.

Penns Landing, where management gives the impression they would rather not have boats in their marina is a short few blocks to Old City and even more restaurants. Zahav on Dock Street near 3rd is amazing and reasonably priced.

Take a transient slip at Phila Marine Center and enjoy the nightlife.

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Amazing sunsets while sitting on the deck at Curtain's wharf in Burlington! $$$ but worth the sunset. I've never been asked to pay for "parking" the boat while dining there. Maybe because so many people don't know how to get in with current hitting the boat broadside. lol
On Philly, the OP lives there and doesn't know how much the City has to offer? I find that hard to believe. Even the Liberty Bell (which is cracked) is a reasonable walk from the water front!

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I sail alot on the Delaware River and in NY Harbor. There seems to be a dearth of nice marinas in NY Harbor in NYC as well as NJ. Some have some really nice restaurants, and some of them even have pools.

Why does the Philadelphia area have such crappy marinas. Helk, the Philadelphia Marine Center doesn't even dredge their marina.

I tell you. The boating experience on the Delaware River is getting worse and worse. I am thinking about moving my boat to the Sandy Hook area or Jersey City area. Yes I'll pay more but at least I'll get services and amenities
I am not sure I agree with your original premise. There are nice places to sail on the Delaware as well as nice people who sail there also.

Before I would drive to the Jersey Shore/ NY harbor I would drive down the the Chesapeake which is only a 1.5 hour drive.

There are many different people who have diffferent reasons for boating and use their boiats in different ways. There are also a large contingent of orgabnized sailnetters who occasionally get together on the Chesapeake.

Rick ( Rhythymdoctor) like the convienence of having his boat close by and uses it for a days recreation. as well as an occasional overnighter) He doesnt care about the social aspects of the place he keeps his boat, Udualla takes long excursions for weeks along the whole Delaware and tries its estuaries. Denise sails often and takes a long trip every year and transits to the Chesapeake or maybe this year down to the Cape and up to Atlantic City. She is actively involved in the social aspects of her marinia and organizations she is invilved with along the Delaware. Everyone has theire preferences. Tidal change and current are usual factors faces by the boatsers on the LI Sound with as much as a 10 ft tide change in every cove and horbor and a 3 knott plus curent.

We prefer the Chesapeake because we utilize our boats as a second home on the water every weekend. We belong to the oldest yacht club on the Chesapeake. Their is no one wearing an ascot here, just people who enjoy the water and a lot of commradiere, some socialization and 1st clkass amenities with a restauarnt, pool, bbq areas and pavillian, long 15 foot wide piers with finger piers between each boat 6 ft acroos going out at least 25 ft beside your boat. It is also a hurricane hole protected from winds from every direction and the slip fee is for year round. By the way we have a 32X19.5 slip for 38/fft which is very competitive and cheaper than most on the Chessie. We go to our boat every weekend march-dec and leave her in the water during the winter 2 out of every 3 years. We like the Chessie because every weekend we can find some neat quiet tributaty or estuary to gunkhole in with bald eagles, or we can go to a major center/ area like Annapolis, St Micheals in a day, dinghy in and go to an upscale restuarant or just get crabs. We like the camradiere of our club where there are over 60 sailboats where sometimes we raft together or learn from each other in terms of sailing. We also venture from our protected waters every summer for a 3 week trip down the Deaware River to Cape May, up the Jersey Coast to NY and out the Long Island Sound. We are always glad to return to our home area as a continous diet of ocean type sailing like NY Harbor with few places to drop the hook does not fit our overall needs although we like the area up there also. The LI Sound is more like the Chesapeake. Different poeple like where they are for differnt reasons and have different needs. No need to judge good or bad....just different

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...He doesnt care about the social aspects of the place he keeps his boat...
Dave - You have it mostly right. But the biggest issue with hanging out on the boat is jet noise at the end of the Philly runway. That's the price we pay for being close to home, which unfortunately also kills the idea of hanging out with people at the marina.

There may come a time in the next 1-3 years when weekending on the boat becomes more viable, and at that time we could look to move down to the bay (and perhaps a larger boat that's suitable for comfortable weekending/cruising). When/if the marina becomes a "home away from home," the social aspect becomes a lot more important.


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