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Flares on the bay ?

I know all the safety police around here are going to get on me for this. DNR and Coast Guard have been making safety checks on the rivers around middle chesapeake. Word is there even making sure your flares are still in date. In all my years on the Bay I have never seen a flare go off in distress. I don't even know a single person who has used one except on the 4th of july. With cell phones, Vhf and so many boats around are they necessary for weekenders.
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Re: Flares on the bay ?

You're probably right, the owners aren't using the flares, so they sit. In the back of their minds, they know they have flares, and don't even think to check for an expiration date because they "know" they have the flares.

You make a good point - technology does tend to render certain things obsolete (Loran, for example). But I'm not sure flares are one of them. A handheld flare can be the only way you're seen at night (batteries die), and an airborne flare is certainly a good way of getting attention and showing rescuers your approximate location.

I have a bunch of expired flares. I'd love to try them out so I'm familiar with how they work (or how to work them), but I'm afraid of launching a search and rescue operation. Is there a place/way to test them/play with them? If not, how do you properly dispose of them?
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Re: Flares on the bay ?

Many Yacht clubs and other organizations including the USCG aux sponsor events where the launching of flares is authorized for training and to dispose of expired items.
Check your local area for info, it's not easy, but it is legal when you do it that way.

As to usefulness - frankly - doesn't matter. Law says you carry and they be current.

There is a reason. My informed quesstimate is that more than 50% of the boats out there on the bay and it's rivers are not listening to the VHF actively- most haven't used the radio for years and have no idea both how or how much range they have.
90 percent of them are little go fast runabouts and sport fishers.
75% can't hear the person sitting next to them at the helm (over the motor or the music).

Imagine a little test. You call for help on the VHF or cell. I'll call for help the same then launch 3 flares.
See who gets on scene help faster.

I don't bet my life on you winning, and suggest you don't either.
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Re: Flares on the bay ?

Chuckles is right on the money. And one should practice using the flares, both the handhelds and pistol flares.

I demonstrated how to use the handheld flares with my kids a few weeks ago, although they didn't want to hold it at least they see they can be dangerous when not used properly and they begin to understand how to use.

As for the pistol flare, I have shot them into a pool for practice.
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Re: Flares on the bay ?

Well they are a last ditch type of thing, so you should not see them on the sound unless there is a tragedy in the making. There basic purpose now is as back up to all the other safety equipment. This does not render them useless and are essential to the safety of all on board.

By the way you should keep your expired flairs as backup on board, and this is perfectly legal as long as you have enough current ones as well. If you drift offshore you may set a few off thinking there may be a search boat in the area, so the more the better. I do tend to be a bit more cautious then many, for instance everyone under 18 wears a PDF (inflatable for those over 16). I must say I wonder how helpful they would be where I boat, as the Hudson can be twisty in spots, and surrounded by mountains or hills. But I would not think of not having them.

I wonder how far inland you have to be to "try them out" without prior authorization.
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Re: Flares on the bay ?

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As for the pistol flare, I have shot them into a pool for practice.
I assume this was an in-ground pool?
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Re: Flares on the bay ?

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Well they are a last ditch type of thing, so you should not see them on the sound unless there is a tragedy in the making. Chef , Chuckles and Mitapaul right on the money.
We keep our up to date fares in our ditch bag and our expired ones on board as we do travel off shore and who knows.

In the Bay I rarely travel with my VHF all the time on except when I expecting to connect with someone. To much endless chatter and open mikes and I am trying to be in a relaxing mode. Different story in NY Harbor or off shore.

Our club with CG approval sponsors a flare shoot off once every few years where you can practice and shoot off your old flares
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Re: Flares on the bay ?

The CG was under the Bay Bridge on Saturday among the fishing boats. I stayed away, but presume they were doing checks. I didn't see any fishing rods on board.
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Re: Flares on the bay ?

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We were in your neck of the woods on Saturday/ Sunday. Not sure where you exactly keep you boat, but we anchored on Whitehall Creek above Rideout Creek and above the marina with the Hinkley yachts, across from a beautiful house with a C&C 36 blue hull at its dock.

We saw a 35 MKIII when we were sailing out of Whitehall Creek up to the bridge on Sunday, but weren't close enough to make out the name. Was it you?

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Re: Flares on the bay ?

Dave,

most likely! There was a light blue C&C 40 behind me. Sorry I missed you.

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