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View Poll Results: How much do you charge paying crew as a skipper a day
none free on board. 5 5.38%
$10 1 1.08%
$15 1 1.08%
$20 1 1.08%
$30 0 0%
$40 or more 21 22.58%
With No tinned fish or meat on the menu 20 21.51%
With No instant noodles or instant soup on the menu 21 22.58%
Do you do the midnight watch when paying crew are on board 0 0%
It is reasonable crew pay for the whole passage in advance and you hold their passports 23 24.73%
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Sounds like that person needs to buy their own boat and go cruising. Apparently they think that paying 39 euros a day is expensive and at that price they should be able to lounge around in a hammock all day and not lift a finger. I don't know anything about this Expedition company but that "objective" review came across as anything but.

My advice would be to manage your expectations. If you chartered a boat with a captain and a hired crew you have every right to demand everything to be shipshape and that your champagne isn't too warm. If you pay to crew on a boat things are going to be different. One cost a lot more than the other.
You obviously did not read the full articles or you have a vested interest.

The vessel is not surveyed let alone a ocean survey.
All life saving equipment well past inspection and renewal dates. These regulations are there for a reason and made by the authorities in just about all world nations not just as a means to stimulate jobs, employment and business.

So on your vessel every one has to become a vegetarian. Yes Vegetables are very expensive particulary in the Islands, they will give them to you , enough for 7 days or more for the whole vessel for a packet of 25 tailor mades smokes or a T Shirt especially if has an americiai flag insignia or such.

Sanitation non existant and sleeping with cockroaches and human body wastes on the decks. Imagine the flies when on anchor.

It irritates me to read of cruising yachts behaving as if they're doing us a favour by asking us to pay e30, e40, or much more, per day to work / crew on their sailing yacht which they can't sail safely unless they have crew.

No where in the article did it convey that they wern't prepared to do a watch and hang in a hammock the entire passage time or a reasonable amount in sailing the vessel whilst under way, other wise one would get pretty bored within a few days. Meals These days Pasta, instant noodles, rice only and instant cup a soup with tinned bully beef, mackerel, sardines, herrings in tomato sauce is not acceptable. If you need crew to help sail your dream boat then the boat is far to big for you to do your thing and in alot of cases it is virtually a delivery trip that they are not prepared to pay for a delivery skipper to sail with crew. Husband advertisers for crew to do the passage, whilst wife and kids fly to the destinations, wait in a 4-5 star hotel and on arrival the crew are given approx 48 hrs to vacant the vessel so wife and kids can board to save or the wife refuses to do watches, cook or clean for non family members. Also most owners never in my experience do the midnight watch its always rostered for the crew to do so his body clock is not put out unbalanced.



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You obviously did not read the full articles or you have a vested interest.

The vessel is not surveyed let alone a ocean survey.
All life saving equipment well past inspection and renewal dates. These regulations are there for a reason and made by the authorities in just about all world nations not just as a means to stimulate jobs, employment and business.

So on your vessel every one has to become a vegetarian. Yes Vegetables are very expensive particulary in the Islands, they will give them to you , enough for 7 days or more for the whole vessel for a packet of 25 tailor mades smokes or a T Shirt especially if has an americiai flag insigna or such.

Sanitation non existant and sleeping with cockroaches and human body wastes on the decks. Immagine the flies when on anchor.

It irritates me to read of cruising yachts behaving as if they're doing us a favour by asking us to pay e30, e40, or much more, per day to work / crew on their sailing yacht which they can't sail safely unless they have crew.

No where in the article did it convey that they wer'nt prepared to do a watch and hang in a hammock the entire passage time or a reasonable amount in sailing the vessel whilst under way, other wise one would get pretty bored within a few days. Meals These days Pasta, instant noodles, rice only and instant cup a soup with tinned bully beef, mackerel, sardines, herrings in tomatoe sauce is not acceptable. If you need crew to help sail your dream boat then the boat is far to big for you to do your thing and in alot of cases it is virtually a delivery trip that they are not prepared to pay for a delivery skipper to sail with crew. Husband advertisers for crew to do the passage, whilst wife and kids fly to the detinations, wait in a 4-5 star hotel and on arrival the crew are given approx 48 hrs to vacant the vessel so wife and kids can board to save or the wife refuses to do watches, cook or clean for non family members. Also most owners never in my experience do the midnight watch its always rostered for the crew to do so his body clock is not put out unbalanced.



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Well sounds like you should have checked the safety equipment and if not comfortable left before leaving port. Heck I checked the safety equipment on a Carnival Cruse and would have notified the crew if I found something missing or out of date before leaving and would have left the ship had it not been resolved. You are the only one ultimately responsible for your own safety and if the boat was not safe, you should have never left port. I don't think for 35 Euro a day you should have been expecting to not be involved in maintenance and other tasks that may have been required. Come on it is not like you were paying for a luxury cruse, and must not have read the brochure. It is an Expedition, not a cruse liner. Just seems to me your expectations were way to high, heck you could not have stayed in an all inclusive resort for that kind of money, so why expect that level of service, on a boat no less.


This sounds a bit like the Rockdawg story, only one side.

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They are a problem these kinds of threads. Lack of any reasonable proof makes it difficult for us to leave them online, take them away and we'll be pilloried for censorship.

Reality is that this one will almost certainly disappear before too long unless the OP can find some support. Who knows ? He may well be on the money but he may also simply have an axe to grind.
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This is one of my hobby horses

It irritates me to read of cruising yachts behaving as if they're doing you a favour by asking you to pay e30, e40, or much more, per day to work / crew on their sailing yachts. Most of them call it "sharing expenses" but in my opinion, at that rate it is taking on working crew for profit.
So why did you sign on at however many Euros per day and stay onboard for two months ? After that you come in here whining about how you have been abused.

Quite frankly I have some pretty serious doubts about the veracity of your tale. It would be good to see others from that voyage backing up your argument but they are conspicuous by their absence. That is others, not one other.

With all those people on board you would think at least a few of them would publicly agree with you.
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Interestingly enough I've found two posts on other forums under completely different names and in one case supposedly a completely different gender that are word word and it would seem are written by the OP. One even carries that silly NZ wines BS and a link back to his home page.

I'm crying BS or at best a disgruntled punter unhappy with the people he chose to crew with.

One and one is not equalling two.
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Well sounds like you should have checked the safety equipment and if not comfortable left before leaving port. Heck I checked the safety equipment on a Carnival Cruse and would have notified the crew if I found something missing or out of date before leaving and would have left the ship had it not been resolved. You are the only one ultimately responsible for your own safety and if the boat was not safe, you should have never left port. I don't think for 35 Euro a day you should have been expecting to not be involved in maintenance and other tasks that may have been required. Come on it is not like you were paying for a luxury cruse, and must not have read the brochure. It is an Expedition, not a cruse liner. Just seems to me your expectations were way to high, heck you could not have stayed in an all inclusive resort for that kind of money, so why expect that level of service, on a boat no less.


This sounds a bit like the Rockdawg story, only one side.

You are completely wrong which negates all the comments opinions in your post.

Every boat, no matter how big or small, must have a skipper. The skipper is legally responsible for the safety of the boat and all the people on board, and is also responsible for complying with all the relevant rules and regulations, conventions, international treaties.

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Plus Conventions on the law of the sea.

Its posters like you bring other boater owners and skippers in to disrepute with your ill informed bluffing postings. Plus giving confidence to others they do not have to check their responsibilities or get educated.


I do not have an ax to grind about paying for crewed positions. Its because skippers do not do their own due diligence and remain ignorant regarding their skippers responsibilities or bluff the inexperienced crew person bringing the credibility and yachting responsible owners and skippers into disrepute in the eyes off the non sailing citizens or first time crew sailors.


I might add I can stay in a pig sty for free which would probably be cleaner than that vessel.
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So why did you sign on at however many Euros per day and stay onboard for two months ? After that you come in here whining about how you have been abused.

Quite frankly I have some pretty serious doubts about the veracity of your tale. It would be good to see others from that voyage backing up your argument but they are conspicuous by their absence. That is others, not one other.

With all those people on board you would think at least a few of them would publicly agree with you.
They are supposedly still on the boat travelling towards vanuatu with small children. The Skipper has already been find $2000 according to the article and not near a internet server.

You are assumming Sailnet is well known in the eastern longitude regions or even other than America being a american site.

7 knots yes is well known and boat design also crewfile.
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Interestingly enough I've found two posts on other forums under completely different names and in one case supposedly a completely different gender that are word word and it would seem are written by the OP. One even carries that silly NZ wines BS and a link back to his home page.

I'm crying BS or at best a disgruntled punter unhappy with the people he chose to crew with.

One and one is not equalling two.

Who's op. Which gender and which name.


Do you think the skipper would pay their return airfare to their home land if they left the ship as per the conventions on the law of the sea and other treaties , international agreements between nations and the United Nations.. Perhaps thats why they are still on the vessel.
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Who's op. Which gender and which name.


Do you think the skipper would pay their return airfare to their home land if they left the ship as per the conventions on the law of the sea and other treaties , international agreements between nations and the United Nations.. Perhaps thats why they are still on the vessel.
Searched Google, now closed and not going to go looking again but one was supposedly a woman Maryann something ? the other was Ocean Cruiser ?

Now answer the questions put to you ... why did you stay on board for two months if it was such a shitfight ?

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I took a look at the sign-up page on their site. It's pretty clear what you're getting yourself in for. And you have to sign liability releases, etc. prior to hopping on?

No sympathy.

68-year-old dude signs up to hang with the 20 year old chicks? Yeah, that never works out.
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