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View Poll Results: How much do you charge paying crew as a skipper a day
none free on board. 5 5.38%
$10 1 1.08%
$15 1 1.08%
$20 1 1.08%
$30 0 0%
$40 or more 21 22.58%
With No tinned fish or meat on the menu 20 21.51%
With No instant noodles or instant soup on the menu 21 22.58%
Do you do the midnight watch when paying crew are on board 0 0%
It is reasonable crew pay for the whole passage in advance and you hold their passports 23 24.73%
Voters: 93. You may not vote on this poll

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Re: Warning warning advertising for paying crew

After reviewing the website for the "expedition", who would lap up this stuff? Last updated Dec 2011? Is anyone qualified to be sailing this 120 foot ship? Eating granola with a Harvard degree doesn't qualify you.
I had all sorts of alarm bells go up. No way i would step foot on this boat unless they were paying me.

To the OP; you got what you paid for. It looks like it is all spelled out on their website.
Paying/Picking garbage/living with garbage/ rice eating, granola munching/ kuum by ya

THIS does not mean that i have an objection to the pay and play style of cruising. There are way to many granola eaters looking for a free vacation.
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After looking at the site it's easy to see how someone with an eye towards adventure could be attracted to something like this and end up being very disappointed. But it's also clear that it is in no way shape or form a vacation and that you will be living in very close quarters with other people. They also make it very plain that you are volunteering to perform a role:
  • I understand that I am applying to be a volunteer, therefore, I do not expect wages, payments, or any other form of compensation for my services or time spent with xxxxxxxxx.
  • I understand that as a volunteer, I am representing xxxxxxxxxx and I will conduct myself in a mature and responsible manner at all times.
  • I understand that any photographs or other media taken by me while I am an xxxxxx volunteer will belong to the xxxxxxxxxx.
  • I agree that I am fully responsible for payment of all medical expenses and other damages arising if I am injured or become ill while volunteering for xxxxxx.
  • I am willing to perform chores and to fill a role with good cheer, responsible initiative, and a positive attitude.
  • I understand the amount of time required and the dedication necessary to be a crewmember. I am willing to set aside personal agendas in order to focus on my vital role as a member of the xxxxxxx crew.
  • I agree to be filmed/photographed while with the xxxxxxxxx.

Personally, I'd have no expectation that the skipper would be taking turns on evening watches nor that they'd pay for return air fare if I wanted off the boat early. At the same time I don't blame you for being unhappy with the meals, nor do I think they should be holding passports. Without asking some questions, one is taking a very big leap of faith by signing on for something like this.

My suggestion is that you take it for what it was, - a learning experience. My guess is that there were probably some truly memorable moments both positive and negative. You've got some good stories to tell. Put the bad feelings in the rearview mirror and move on.

I'm not sure what's behind the lyrics in the Beach Boys' song "Sloop Jon B" but this story reminded me of it.
"The poor cook he caught the fits
And threw away all my grits
And then he took and he ate up all of my corn
Let me go home
Why don't they let me go home
This is the worst trip Ive ever been on"
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After reviewing the website for the "expedition", who would lap up this stuff? Last updated Dec 2011? Is anyone qualified to be sailing this 120 foot ship? Eating granola with a Harvard degree doesn't qualify you.
I had all sorts of alarm bells go up. No way i would step foot on this boat unless they were paying me.

To the OP; you got what you paid for. It looks like it is all spelled out on their website.
Paying/Picking garbage/living with garbage/ rice eating, granola munching/ kuum by ya

THIS does not mean that i have an objection to the pay and play style of cruising. There are way to many granola eaters looking for a free vacation.
Here is a quote from a webmaster and sailing publisher.

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"Crew can legitimately be requested to pay much of their own expenses when it comes to food, alcohol and entertainment....expenses which would not be incurred by the vessel's owner if the crew were not on board. However the owner/skipper still needs to make some concessions, as without the crew many vessels simply could not move for more than a day at a time. Owners should pay for normal running expenses and still buy the crew a good feed after a passage.

I am not abnormally vain, but I like to think that when crew leaves me behind, they take with them positive memories about the trip, the boat and me.

'User pays' is a fact of life for banks, insurance companies, communications and airlines conglomerates...but as cruisers we still inhabit a world of sharing experiences, caring and courtesy.

I see nothing wrong with trying to make money from sailing if that is what takes your fancy; but be honest about it, get certified, surveyed, compete with legitimate charter boats, and pay for your marketing.

David. "

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Re: Warning warning advertising for paying crew

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Hi,

Thanks for the info piclarke.

Do you know where to get information on similar boats? I have been looking for boats to join as crew without much luck. Maybe one of these boats would work for me.

Thanks,
Sam
Depends on what you deem as similar. Do you have any research qualifications to do oceanic - water research. Know off an organization in the South Pacific Island territories that have limited Un funding for their work and have supporters that donate 10% of their income to get a tax exception. The vessels, some have been donated by either the previous owners or left in their wills or the widow has donated the vessel. Others are delivery skippers / owners with boats. The qualified personnel get a wage / salary, Skippers, Scientists qualified researchers the rest have to pay at about $300 - $400 per 7 day period - crew deck hands, cooks, tool fetches and sherpers in other words plus get yourself there and home as well. Not much Tiki touring or sight seeing. Could be at the same Island for 2-3 months. Claim the costs are for food and maintenance. The skippers and researchers are on reduced incomes so they probably satisfy their consciences they are contributing towards maintenance by reduced salaries.

Not sure if the vessels are surveyed.


If still interested message me and I give you the web site Url to make contact.

However at this particular point in time it's the cyclone season. Nov to May.

Pleased to help

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Re: Warning warning advertising for paying crew

Dude, if you don't like crewing on other people's boats - get your own. Then for just a few bucks per day you could lounge all you want, eat whatever you can cook, go wherever you please, and in general be the master and commander. Everything else requires compromise. And I would never, ever sleep on a filthy deck if I could lay my hands on a bucket of seawater and a rag.
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Put back the redacted info - what are you afraid of whoever censored this guy's post?

Oh, thanks to the OP for trying to share.

Thanks T&W

Also crew should read

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And the other thread with both perspectives,


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Ha. Im asking for "information on similar boats", meaning same concept BUT on a drama-free (and safe) boat.
There are no drama-free cruising boats
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Re: Warning warning advertising for paying crew

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After reviewing the website for the "expedition"... I had all sorts of alarm bells go up. No way i would step foot on this boat unless they were paying me.
Agree completely. It does seem to be pretty well laid out on the website. I don't see much for the OP to complain about.

On the other hand, it is also pretty clearly someone trying to avoid the rules concerning operating a boat as a business. They're charging 39 euros per day (about $52 USD at the current exchange rate). That's an awful lot of money to pay to be "crew" on a boat. Unless they're serving caviar and pate de fois gras on a pretty regular basis, or providing the rum and beer, that's way too much to call it a contribution to living expenses.

Frankly, if I were paying that much, I would expect to be treated like a passenger. But then, you see, I would never have been foolish enough to sign up for this particular "expedition" in the first place. Like I said up above, in agreeing with benesailor, I would not step foot on this boat unless they were paying me.
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After looking at the site it's easy to see how someone with an eye towards adventure could be attracted to something like this and end up being very disappointed. But it's also clear that it is in no way shape or form a vacation and that you will be living in very close quarters with other people. They also make it very plain that you are volunteering to perform a role:
  • I understand that I am applying to be a volunteer, therefore, I do not expect wages, payments, or any other form of compensation for my services or time spent with xxxxxxxxx.
  • I understand that as a volunteer, I am representing xxxxxxxxxx and I will conduct myself in a mature and responsible manner at all times.
  • I understand that any photographs or other media taken by me while I am an xxxxxx volunteer will belong to the xxxxxxxxxx.
  • I agree that I am fully responsible for payment of all medical expenses and other damages arising if I am injured or become ill while volunteering for xxxxxx.
  • I am willing to perform chores and to fill a role with good cheer, responsible initiative, and a positive attitude.
  • I understand the amount of time required and the dedication necessary to be a crewmember. I am willing to set aside personal agendas in order to focus on my vital role as a member of the xxxxxxx crew.
  • I agree to be filmed/photographed while with the xxxxxxxxx.

Personally, I'd have no expectation that the skipper would be taking turns on evening watches nor that they'd pay for return air fare if I wanted off the boat early. At the same time I don't blame you for being unhappy with the meals, nor do I think they should be holding passports. Without asking some questions, one is taking a very big leap of faith by signing on for something like this.

My suggestion is that you take it for what it was, - a learning experience. My guess is that there were probably some truly memorable moments both positive and negative. You've got some good stories to tell. Put the bad feelings in the rearview mirror and move on.

I'm not sure what's behind the lyrics in the Beach Boys' song "Sloop Jon B" but this story reminded me of it.
"The poor cook he caught the fits
And threw away all my grits
And then he took and he ate up all of my corn
Let me go home
Why don't they let me go home
This is the worst trip Ive ever been on"
A signed contract does not overide an International Statuory agreement or International Convention that all countries governments have signed.

Show the signed contract to the ahthorities and they will say it makes no difference. Re sign him on the vessel or pay his airfares to his home land, taxi fare to the airport and accommodation, meals untill the plane / flight departs our sovereign soil or we will not issue you with a departure cleance certificate for your vessel. Which means you stay in port untill the crew member leaves. If the time period comes around that your permit stay has expired expect to get a import taxation bill from the authorities as well and if you cannot pay the import duty then expect your boat to be confiscated.


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A signed contract does not overide an International Statuory agreement or International Convention that all countries governments have signed.
Of course it doesn't. But what it does mean is that you knew what you were getting into. I read the contract myself, and everything that you have been complaining about was laid out quite clearly in it. You read the contract and signed it. Having done so, your incessant whining about it now just comes across as childish.

Seriously. The more you whine about it, the worse you come off looking. You've had your say. At this point, for your own sake, it would be best if you just let it go.

(But, of course, I know you won't.)
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