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Team Compass Point Offshore Racing 2006

Team Compass Point is looking for amatuer sailors to join the campaign for the 33rd Gosford to Lord Howe Island & the 62nd Rolex Sydney to Hobart yacht races in 2006. Full information pack available from phil@teamcompasspoint.com or 24hr phone on +6421783014.

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Thank you for posting your message. I have some doubts about the legitimacy of this offer though. This appears to be one of the more sophisticated scams I have seen. If this is a legitimate offer, then I would expect that you would be able to answer the few questions I pose for you.

1) Why does the website listed in the information package not come up?

I would expect that any company backing a Sydney-Hobart class boat to have a functioning website. It is also interesting that your (14ting’s) website and that found in the information packet are the same. I'd also like to point out that there are no whois listings for www.compasspointenterprises.com from what I can find. This is a bit strange, as if the domain were registered, it should have such an entry. The website that does show up appears to be an error page from a large ISP, much like Comcast would be in the USA.

2) Why is the information packet so brief and generic?

The information packet I was sent was a single pdf file that anyone could have generated—no logos or other corporate identifiers were used in the PDF file, which makes it seem very unlikely that it is genuine. Even the two photos in the packet are very generic and do not have anything in them to identify them as Team Compass Point. However, the phone number and photos do appear to match those of the other websites I have found on Team Compass Point.

3) Why do you only accept BANK TRANSFER as the only form of payment?

The fact that they only accept BANK TRANSFERS as the only form of payment raises a lot of warning flags. Any legitimate company would accept credit cards in this day and age.

4) Why do other websites say that the crew has already been selected?

The last point I'd like to make is that the article on this webpage, among others, says that Team Compass Point has already selected a crew of eight, so how can they still be offering spots on the Sydney-Hobart race still?

5) Of more technical interest, why does the IP address for www.compasspointenterprises.com come up as assigned to a client of an ISP in Hoboken, NJ, USA?

When you ping www.compasspointenterprises.com, you get an ip address return of 64.27.98.202. According to arin.net this IP address is registered to a company in Hoboken, New Jersey, USA, not to an IP address assigned to Woosh.com, the Australian ISP, which is at IP address 202.74.207.101. According to the ARIN results, this IP Address is assigned to a private residence of a customer of Datapipe, the New Jersey-based ISP. Either this computer has been hacked, or less likely, is that the person using owning the machine is involved, but this can not be determined at this time. The mirroring of the site is a clever attempt to lead to mislead people into believe that the error page is from an Kiwi ISP, rather than a compromised machine located in New Jersey.

I also found it interesting that the mail server you sent your e-mail from is located in Hoboken, New Jersey, not New Zealand, as which is what the e-mail server header spoofs.

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Seems that 14ting doesn't want to answer a few simple questions. Hmmm..

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More fishy things....

I just got a message from crewnz. This is what he wrote:

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Sailing Dog, your concerns are misplaced.

I run a New Zealand sailing website which is not too dissimilar to Sailnet and I have come to know Phil fairly well since he launched his campaign.

He is bona fide and he is doing a lot more than most of us will ever do with his life by getting out there and making things happen for both himself and his crew. Last year he chartered a traditional old New Zealand designed cruiser racer and achieved his goal of racing in the Hobart and this year he has taken it a step further with a Sydney 38 and a much more professional campaign. He has bought a bunch of people together and created a sailing team that is competing in international regattas like the Sydney Hobart as one of only one or two New Zealand entrants involved each year. Personally, I think that is pretty admirable.

No his website and marketing is not as slick and professional as might be offered by some of the highly funded campaigns, but it seems to be effective as he doesn't have much trouble filling spots on his boat.

Heck, maybe the guy is a crook. I don't know, anybody could be, but from what I can tell he's a good guy that is getting a bunch of people involved in a high level of racing who otherwise would not have the opportunity to do so and fulfiling his own ambition at the same time.

If you are interested in finding out more about what he is doing, please visit my website for hard-core photographic evidence: http://www.crew.org.nz/page/892/philchisolm.html



Because I know that there are very legitimate responses to your concerns, I have attempted to respond to your questions below (these responses are not from Phil himself).


1) Why does the website listed in the information package not come up?
Check again. He does have a website. It is very simple, yes, and leaves a lot to be desired, but it is a website.

2) Why is the information packet so brief and generic?
Yes he could do better to provide more info but Phil is a marine electrician and a sailor, not a frigging graphic designer or marketing consultant!


3) Why do you only accept BANK TRANSFER as the only form of payment?
Why would anybody only doing a few transactions a year take credit cards? My sailing website, which is a small but legitimate and fully functioning business doesn't take credit cards either - it simply costs too much and is too much hassle. He isn't a mass charter business accepting bookings by the dozens, he is taking a few keen yachties out sailing with him each year and sharing expenses.


4) Why do other websites say that the crew has already been selected?
I don't know the answer to this but possibly it's for a different race or somebody has pulled out etc.


5) Of more technical interest, why does the IP address for www.compasspointenterprises.com come up as assigned to a client of an ISP in Hoboken, NJ, USA?

Again I don't know but I do know it is common for New Zealand based website companies to contract out their web services to providers in North America which provide low cost services becuase they can buy in bulk. We do the same with toll calls. I am assuming this is the case here.

I didn't have any problem finding a whois listing for the domain.
I didn't find this all that persuasive, as he quotes a website I first pointed out, which clearly indicates that the crew for Sydney Hobart has been picked. Also, crewnz, being a member of just a day or so, with absolutely no track record of posts or history to view, is not very credible. For all I can tell crewnz and 14ting are one in the same. Both are brand new members with no other posts or track record.

I also find it interesting that 14ting has not replied in over a week. The questions are fairly simple, and crewnz's answers are a bit misleading.

It isn't that I doubt Phil Chisholm is a man of good character and quite a sailor to boot... it is that I doubt that 14ting has any real relationship to Phil Chisholm or the real Compass Point Enterprises.

Crewnz states that the website is now up. It consists of two webpages, and is still hosted on an IP address assigned to a private individual in Hoboken, NJ. I also received an e-mail, allegedly from Phil, in which the prices for the two remaining races have been dropped 30-50%. Hmmm... that seems pretty fishy too.

Crewnz states that Team Compass Point's information packet is so sketchy as Phil is not a graphic designer... that is putting it quite kindly... the packet is just a half-dozen pages long, and most of it is very generic. Even the revised packet is not much to look at. With the basic graphic design capabilities in modern computer software, it would be simple to create something far more presentable than what they sent.

Crewnz also states that companies contract out the website hosting. Well, my question is this: Why was a Hoboken, NJ, based webserver mirroring the error page of a New Zealand ISP. I had contacted the ISP and they were quite curious about that as well, as there is no legitimate reason for a Hoboken-based web server to be doing such.

My point about them accepting only Bank Transfers is still valid. I doubt that this is the only business that Compass Point Enterprises does. Accepting credit cards is a reasonable expectation of any modern business.

I'd still like to hear 14ting weigh in on this issue.

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Sailing Dog,

If you can't figure anything out, '14ting', is actually the license plate on my van, check out http://www.companies.govt.nz and you will find out that Team Compass Point Ltd and Compass Point Enterprises (2006) Ltd are both owned and directed by me. What NZ ISP's do with their web and mail hosting is NOT MY PROBLEM, the whole idea of the campaign is to bring OFFSHORE RACING within reach of more people, the website is slowly coming back on line, I AM A ELECTRICAN PRIMARY BUSINESS IN NEW HOUSING, the MARINE SIDE IS RUN BY TEAM COMPASS POINT LTD, and I AM NOT A WEB DESIGNER, the site when it is finished, is simple and functional, and I do not have time to sit in front of a computer all day every day. Feel free to get on a plane to New Zealand and come and see me. The race pricing was reduced as I have now purchased the boat and not chartering it every time I want to use it.

As I said in the email, call me!! that is what a phone is for.

Credit cards are accepted if you pay the charges, wouldn't you rather reduce costs by not taking them.

And the crew for the next two races is not full!, the Sydney to Goldcoast had a full crew. and a couple of people dropped out.

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