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Wanting to crew, east coast anytime this year

Hey guys!

The dream to live aboard has been put into high gear (call it my new years resolution) and before I make the leap, I want to take some runs with more experienced people than I to get the feel for what it will be like and if it is really something I'd be able to accomplish. I guess you could call me a novice, although I've been sailing on and off since I was 9ish (27 now). The majority of my experience has been with smaller "lake" boats (Sunfish, Zuma, N10).

Ever since learning how to sail, I've been thinking of how great it would be to not only have a blue water cruiser, but to live on it too! I'm located in Charlotte, NC, but travel is not an issue. My work schedule is somewhat flexible (definitely a week, maybe two at a time) and I have no quarrel's with destination. I'm in it for the experience and the friendship!

Drop me line and let me know if you'd be willing to help a greenhorn gain a zest for the ocean!
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Look two posts down. There's a guy in SC looking for crew.
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Be aware that Halberdier is not looking for crew, but for people to share his sailing adventures as you will be paying for the privilege. As such, this may constitute chartering the boat rather than crewing and the legal situation may be slightly different than going as unpaid, non-contributing crew.

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As we share the fun, we share the sailing, cooking, cleaning, etc. to your abilities and skills. We decide, as a group, the itinerary, how much sailing or motoring we do, the meals, the entertainment, etc. As I, the captain, has some legal responsibility of your safety, I may override the group’s decisions because of weather or mechanical breakdown.

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Re SailingDog: Charter vs Crew, In Canada Passenger vs Guest

In Canada it all comes down to:
- Is the person a passenger or guest?
- Is the owner is receiving any form of remuneration for the use of the vessel?

Canada Shipping Act, 2001
Canada Shipping Act - Definitions
“passenger” means a person carried on a vessel by the owner or operator, other than
(a) a person carried on a Safety Convention vessel who is
(i) the master, a member of the crew or a person employed or engaged in any capacity on board the vessel on the business of that vessel, or
(ii) under one year of age;
(b) a person carried on a vessel that is not a Safety Convention vessel who is
(i) the master, a member of the crew or a person employed or engaged in any capacity on board the vessel on the business of that vessel, or
(ii) a guest on board the vessel, if the vessel is used exclusively for pleasure and the guest is carried on it without remuneration or any object of profit;
(c) a person carried on a vessel in pursuance of the obligation on the master to carry shipwrecked, distressed or other persons or by reason of any circumstances that neither the master nor the owner could have prevented; or
(d) a person of a prescribed class.

“pleasure craft”
« embarcation de plaisance »

“pleasure craft” means a vessel that is used for pleasure and does not carry passengers, and includes a vessel of a prescribed class.

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) - Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) - Small Vessels - Design, Equipment & Boating Safety - Marine Safety - Marine Transportation - Transport Canada
What's the definition of a passenger?
The definition of "passenger", as found in the Canada Shipping Act 2001 is as follows: “passenger” means a person carried on a ship by the owner or operator, other than
a. A person carried on a Safety Convention ship who is
o the master, a member of the crew or a person employed or engaged in any capacity on board the ship on the business of that ship, or (ii) under one year of age,
b. A person carried on a ship that is not a Safety Convention ship who is
o the master, a member of the crew or a person employed or engaged in any capacity on board the ship on the business of that ship, or (ii) a guest on board the ship, if the ship is used exclusively for pleasure and the guest is carried on it without remuneration or any object of profit,
c. A person carried on a ship in pursuance of the obligation on the master to carry shipwrecked, distressed or other persons or by reason of any circumstances that neither the master nor the owner could have prevented, or special purpose personnel

How do I determine if I'm carrying passengers or guests?
The basic consideration when deciding which category a vessel should fit is whether the person(s) carried on board are passengers or not.
The situation is clearer where the vessel owner also operates it and there is no form of charter party in existence. In this situation, you have to examine the relationship between the owner and the people on board. If any of them are paying money for their carriage on the vessel, then they will be deemed to be passengers and the vessel will come within Transport Canada’s regime. If the owner is receiving any form of remuneration for the use of the vessel, even if not directly from the persons carried, then they will be passengers. If the persons are guests, there is no form of remuneration and the vessel is being used exclusively for pleasure they will not be passengers and the vessel will be under pleasure craft regime. This would include the situation where an owner invites some friends for a trip on his pleasure craft. If the sole purpose of the trip is pleasure and there is no commercial element or intent then they will not be passengers.


For Further information:
Bulletin No.: 14/2000 - Ship Safety Bulletins - Marine Safety - Marine Transportation - Transport Canada
http://www.tc.gc.ca/media/documents/...y/tp14070e.pdf Small Commercial Vessel Safety Guide, Chapter 1, Passenger or Guest
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In the US, the consideration is quite different. If the compensation is mandatory, as a general rule, you can be considered chartering the boat and would fall into a commercial situation, whether you mean to or not.

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Hi Fiffa,

We are in NC and will be starting our cruising in the next few weeks. Usually just weekends and probably a week trip later in the season. We have a 34' Hunter moored in Oriental. Shoot me your contact and we'll see what we can do.
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