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Oh and I am not point the finger at anyone in particular, there seem to be people pointing the finger at the same people consistently.
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You might actually want to read everything I wrote before spouting off... I pointed out that between the initial post and what the OP says on his website, things look pretty iffy. It would be nice if you could actually put your brain in gear before yelling....assuming you have one.

Here are the facts, since you can't figure it out for yourself.

The OP says that crew will be required to contribute.

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Crew would be expected to watchkeep, take turns at cooking, boat maintenance and would be expected to contribute.
The OP's website says that tuition will be required.

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Tuition can be arranged for all levels if required and tailored to your needs.
Anyone who is crewing, KNOWS THAT WORK IS REQUIRED... that's kind of the point of crewing on a boat... to sail the damn boat.

However, the OP clearly states that CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE CREW ARE REQUIRED. Obviously, he's not talking about work or sailing the boat—that would be pointless and unnecessary.

Finally, I'd point out that the OP obviously read my first reply on this thread, where I said:

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Brendan—

First, you might want to edit your post so it is readable.

Will you be reimbursing for airfare to and from the delivery endpoints. Will the crew have to pay any costs? Are these paid positions?
He edited the OP to be readable... yet he did not answer any of the questions I raised.

I don't believe that any of those questions are unreasonable to ask concerning a delivery position you are considering crewing on. The fact that he didn't answer them speaks volumes.
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Wait, I'm confused, the OP never said ANYTHING about having to PAY ANYTHING, so what the hell is your problem sailingdog? How about you shut the f. up for once? Contribute means WORK! You can't be friggin serious.
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Everyone seems so polarized right now, is this the winter itch and all goes back to normal once the boats are launched?
Ever notice how everything else suddenly seems so unimportant once you get underway? Everybody is congenial (unless you're racing I guess). We were not meant to spend long periods of time on land, like more than a couple of days or so.
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I don't see any judging, I see people asking questions and reading the website posted by the OP (and maybe some assumptions). It is pretty clear that the OP is not giving all the information, giving conflicting info and when pressed they have disappeared...

I have seen people get jumped on for far less here. It just seems odd that certain people take the opposite view of the SAME people consistently. Everyone seems so polarized right now, is this the winter itch and all goes back to normal once the boats are launched?
If you mean that I take the opposite view of Dog consistently - I suppose I do that pretty often. I personally don't agree with things he says at times just as he (and you) don't agree with things I say at times. And that's fine. That's what a forum is all about. No harm.

As for the "consistently" part - as is pretty clear, Dog posts in a lot of threads. Nothing wrong with that at all (I do the same). It's just very easy to come across his posts when moving around SN. He states his opinions very firmly. I'll do the same...many times with a differing opinion. Others do likewise with theirs. Again, there's nothing wrong with any of this...as long as it's civil...which I think it has been for the most part.

As a forum is a place for ideas, opinions, discussion, etc. I'm not interested in keeping my mouth shut or playing along if I disagree with something. I wouldn't expect that of you, I wouldn't expect that of Dog, or anyone else. As long as there's no animosity - it's cool.

So, I agree/disagree/joke with Dog just like I do with you and everyone else around here. But, I have absolutely nothing against him personally - and have told him so many times. It's not polarized "sides"...just different viewpoints.

I sure hope the OP comes back someday and settles this. He has been around here since 2002 and seems to have a pretty impressive resume if his website is accurate. It would be fun to know the whole story.

Cheers Kroz...and Dog! Let's go sailing!
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... it's hardly a scandal worthy of this forum.
Can we get some clarification here? How big does a scandal need to be to qualify? Is there a board someone can go to to get their scandal approved before launching it?
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Can we get some clarification here? How big does a scandal need to be to qualify? Is there a board someone can go to to get their scandal approved before launching it?
We seem to generally abhor regulation, tyranny, taxation, and anything else the government does around here, so somebody not having a license to run a particular business practically makes him a local hero
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Just stumbled across this thread and although I don't usually jump into hot topics... I'll offer a few observations.

MAYBE, just maybe the OP was re-iterating the fact that crew would be expected to contribute to all aspects of the passage.
I don't believe that was his intent and if indeed he was expecting his "crew" to contribute ANY monies toward this passage, even for food, well, then I would just steer clear.

I have paid (food contribution) exactly ONCE in all the deliveries/races, etc. I have done. And that was the first trip way back in the last millenia.

Having several thou miles at sea, (Including a NEWPORT/BERMUDA and other races) I always pulled my weight and then some as should be expected on a delivery. If this were a TRUE, LEGIT delivery, I would expect the following:

AT THE LEAST.... all expenses on the boat covered. IE Food! And if the boat puts into a harbor during the trip, the crew isn't hit up for harbor fees, marina fees, whatever.

Depending on the boat/owner and the crew's ability it would not be unusual to at least have travel expenses HOME paid for. Been there, done that. Makes it real easy to sell to your s.o. that you at least won't be PAYING to run away to sea and go sailing!

If OP is a legit operation and doing a legit "delivery" he would not be taking on paying passengers and offering them the opportunity to learn. Changes the whole complexion of things as has been pointed out. Becomes a definite case of Passenger v. Crew.

AFA some folks attacking the OP. Well, I'll not defend or attack them. I'll just say that I think the whole thing smells a bit funny. 35+ years of sailing in a variety of boats, conditions, seas and people make me see it that way.

As has been pointed out, if the OP wanted to clarify things and eliminate any misconception, he certainly has had the opportunity to do so. And yet????
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Nicely stated and quite well balanced.

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Just stumbled across this thread and although I don't usually jump into hot topics... I'll offer a few observations.

MAYBE, just maybe the OP was re-iterating the fact that crew would be expected to contribute to all aspects of the passage.
I don't believe that was his intent and if indeed he was expecting his "crew" to contribute ANY monies toward this passage, even for food, well, then I would just steer clear.

I have paid (food contribution) exactly ONCE in all the deliveries/races, etc. I have done. And that was the first trip way back in the last millenia.

Having several thou miles at sea, (Including a NEWPORT/BERMUDA and other races) I always pulled my weight and then some as should be expected on a delivery. If this were a TRUE, LEGIT delivery, I would expect the following:

AT THE LEAST.... all expenses on the boat covered. IE Food! And if the boat puts into a harbor during the trip, the crew isn't hit up for harbor fees, marina fees, whatever.

Depending on the boat/owner and the crew's ability it would not be unusual to at least have travel expenses HOME paid for. Been there, done that. Makes it real easy to sell to your s.o. that you at least won't be PAYING to run away to sea and go sailing!

If OP is a legit operation and doing a legit "delivery" he would not be taking on paying passengers and offering them the opportunity to learn. Changes the whole complexion of things as has been pointed out. Becomes a definite case of Passenger v. Crew.

AFA some folks attacking the OP. Well, I'll not defend or attack them. I'll just say that I think the whole thing smells a bit funny. 35+ years of sailing in a variety of boats, conditions, seas and people make me see it that way.

As has been pointed out, if the OP wanted to clarify things and eliminate any misconception, he certainly has had the opportunity to do so. And yet????
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Thanks guys, I hope you enjoyed the thread, I enjoyed the publicity.
I am now fully crewed.

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Hey Brendan! Welcome back!

Have a great trip. And put some pics of the trip up on your site when you can. I'd love to see you guys sailing that Maxi. Sounds like a great run.

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