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I'm not condemning the OP for his offer. My issue is that the OP is trying to pass this off as a vacation. It isn't one.
He's trying to call asking crew to subsidize the delivery something it isn't.
From the OP's various posts:
I'd point out that the OP is ONE OF THE BOAT'S OWNERS...and he is clearly trying to get people to crew and subsidize his delivery of his own boat.
The Catamaran is owned by 2 guys. Me and the Skip on the boat right now. I am in Montreal at this time (business). The Skip on the Cat will take it to the Caribbean. I will take it back to Europe in 2011/2012. So questions need to be forwarded to the Skip on board. No sweat to contact him via PACTOR III on given email. But anyways, I can answer questions on landline as well, if so requested.
Here, no one is hiring a crew. Nor buying. People are being asked, just like your friends would ask you to go on vacation with them. Will they be paying your expenses? No! The only difference now is: Here you do not know the rest of the crew - YET!
So, if someone is looking for making money out of this - this is the wrong place! Itīs all about fairness and having fun for 2-3 weeks. And that will actually cost you a little. But therefore you will have a great boat and two great sailors participating.
I see your point. And yes, I agree, for a straight delivery all expenses should be paid by the owner.
But here, this is NOT the case. The boat is in a great shape, just went through professional overhaul. Electrics, Engines, Carpentry, Electronics, etc... So up to now, no repair jobs required.
Also the crew need NOT be experienced as the Capt. is and also the other crewmember. Itīs just about redundancies and workload sharing, eg. night watch. Itīs more fun when you are 3 or 4 on board, donīt you agree?
Also, if the WX is unsuitable, departure will be delayed accordingly. No hurry to get there. The Cat is fast anyhow and will make it in no time.
This all means: The trip is about fun and relaxing. No delivery, no rush. Think of it as vacation, where perhaps only a destination is given.
Even though he agrees that the OWNER SHOULD PAY ALL EXPENSES ON A DELIVERY, and that is pretty clearly what this is, he is trying to get away without doing so.
Yes, if someone needs sea time and miles, this might be a good deal for a person....but honestly, let's call it what it is... A DELIVERY. If you don't mind subsidizing someone's cruising costs and don't mind paying for expenses that rightly should be borne by the boat owner in exchange for a sea-going berth... be my guest. Just don't be under the illusion that this is a vacation, regardless of what the OP says it is.
Yes, doing a delivery can be a lot of fun. But they're also a lot of work. With four people aboard, especially if two of them are inexperienced as the OP claims is okay, you'll be doing TWO-PERSON watches—at least at night. That means you won't be getting much sleep.
If the OP says that you'll be doing solo watches—I'd have to question his judgement, especially since he says you don't need to have experience. I wouldn't want an inexperienced person on watch solo, especially on a night watch.
No where have I said that the crew should be making money on doing this—even though that seems to be what the OP and UR keep claiming... just that they shouldn't have to bear the costs of feeding themselves while they're working. If someone is okay with subsidizing this guy's cruising in exchange for a berth... go for it.
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