Immediate Captain and Crew Needed
My fiance and I are planning a trip from San Diego to Seattle in early July (about July 3rd). A USCG captain and his brother were planning to come with us. He had to cancel because of a family emergency and now we are STUCK.
We need a licensed USCG (preferably) captain with experience in passages such as these. Please let us know your experience and rates.
We would like one other experienced crew member. You will need to pay for your own airfare, meals, and one-third fuel costs.
ABOUT THE BOAT:
We have a 1978 Morgan Out Island 41. We had a recent survey done and it is in good condition. We have spent the last few weeks upgrading her systems and fitting her for this passage.
We are a young couple (late 20s and early 30s) who love to sail. We are relaxed, easy to get a long with, fun, and hardworking. I am not very experienced (my longest sail was from Seattle to Vancouver Island) but my fiance is slightly more experienced. We race once a week in the summer.
Please send me a private message or post your information here.
Of course, I am with the old school and older than dirt. This may not apply to today's SOP's.
I am very confused by this. Whenever we have sailed on other people's boats, we have helped pay for fuel. We have equated it to paying for fuel when we take road trips across the country; we would need to help the owner of the vehicle pay for fuel. My fiance took a long trip recently where this was part of the deal and he was crew. We are definitely not interested in ripping anyone off, we just assumed that the way we have been doing it for the last couple years was standard practice.
If this is not standard practice, we may need to reconsider our offer to exclude that request...
There is no standard set of rules for crews and owners, but you are asking someone to go on what is going to be a tough voyage, where you will be motorsailing into the prevailing winds for the majority of the trip. It is a delivery, rather than a leisurely cruise. You may find someone who is willing to share your fuel expenses, but they are likely to bail out at the first opportunity.
Also we forgot to mention that we hired a wonderful captain a few weeks ago and are just seeing uf spmeone else wanted to tag along for the experience. Sorry for the confusion on tnat as well. Cheers.
Peace on earth.
There is no hard and fast rules one must follow. There is nothing wrong with your approach. You are the owner/captain , you control the deal. I am just a by-stander happened to pass by.
Let's set your case aside. Crews pay for fuel and boat expenses often if the trip is for pleasure. For example: The owner offers a RT voyage from SD to Hawaii. He may or should charge the crew for paying his share expense including fuel and marina charges that incurred during such pleasure voyage.
OTOH, If he is a delivery captain or he must move his boat to Hawaii from SD regardless if he has crews or not, he should not expect the crew to subsidize his move even the crew may get some pleasure or experience out of this deal.
Likewise, the captain should NOT expect his crews come in a few days early to slave them to do repair work and clean his boat before the trip. However, the crews are expected to maintain the proper order of the boat to its original condition before they leave the boat.
It is all about fairness and reciprocity. Having said that, there are many exceptions.
Fuel cost is often insignificant with good weather and wind. This will change quickly with head wind and urgency.
i just recently helped a guy move his boat up the coast. the second day he refrenced to me as his deckhand. it was his boat, he was paying for food and expenses, but to be counted as deckhand i thought was dissrepectful. he fouled the deck with mud, then asked me to clean it up. i refused. helping someone with a cruise, without being compensated does not make one a deckhand. i think some common sense and careful thought, should a good captain have toward his "guest" crew.
most people looking for crew "need" the help. there are a few who just want to share the cruise. i think different rules, or treatment, or sharing of expenses apply. this is how, i would expect most feel. let me know if you agree or disgree, cause i want to crew for the fun of sailing, and i want to start with the right attitude.
how many people out there can just, leave home, get on a boat, take the risk of going to sea, without compensation? and if they can, how do they do it? i had to work, pay bills, and take care of family. it wasnt untill i was 50 years old that i "got lucky" and was able live on residual income. are there people out there, who found a better way, therefore have been able to do this "freestyle crewing" as a way of life? are we freestylers in short supply? give me some input. thanks peter conway 843 847-1899.
p.s. if you need or just want a crewman "i will sail for food." plus a way back to my truck.
Hmmm...thank you all for your input. Everything I learn on this board is so informative. I don't know what i'd do without sailnet and cruisersforum.
As I mentioned before, my fiance and I have volunteered to crew on many voyages and gained invaluable experience. These were opportunities we wouldn't exchange for anything. Yes, we were expected to pay for a portion of fuel and all of our personal food. We didn't think this was strange. We were happy we didn't have to pay for the captain's time. Again, we learned so much for such little. (In fact for this trip, we're finding fuel to be our smallest expense by far).
That said, these other trips were NOT tough sails (well, except on one side of Vancouver Island). I realize THIS trip will be a tough sail, and that is why my fiance and I are paying a sea captain for his expertise, time, and willingness to train us in these conditions. It is a tough route.
We didn't realize that there was a difference in expectations based on the route until now, but it does make a lot of sense to not ask a guest to help pay for fuel in a route such as this. Of course. This is something we are not expecting anymore. We have contacted the people who have contacted us already to volunteer and let them know that we were mistaken.
Again, our former request was not our intention to take advantage of anyone; we were simply imitating what we have seen out there.
Rockdawg, I'm sorry to hear that you were treated so poorly on that trip. I have never been treated as anything but a respected guest when I have crewed for free so please don't assume that is typical. The only decks I've ever washed were my own. Similarly, anyone who crews on our boat is treated with the respect they deserve.
Anyway, we are making our decisions about crew in the next couple days and are just about finished refitting our boat. Floatplan has been adjusted and readjusted again. Ooooh, exciting! We are planning to set sail on the 4th. Wish us luck!!
As a professional mariner for over 50 years & someone who learned his trade on the left (west) coast, you might be MUCH better off to consider sailing to Hawaii & then to Seattle. As long as you go north of the Pacific high, the whole trip should be a breeze, pleasant & enjoyable, rather than a slog to windward all the way with very few safe places to take a break in.
I know the OI41 very well (one I delivered on from Great Inagua to St. Thomas; hard to weather in 25 knot trade winds) & it was not built to do a trip like that. It is an island cruiser.
Also, for the trip you are planning, I suggest you hire a top notch professional captain AND crew; you get what you pay for! I'd not like to see you trying to enter a barred entrance in 25 to 40+ knots of wind, with a less than top notch captain in charge.
I do not mean to put you off, but forewarned is forearmed.
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