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Re: Crew wanted for Gov Cup Ches Bay MD

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I wish the model went out further, past 8/1 at 0800. Looks like the wind will be a little lighter and a little more southerly.

Thanks ... I have CBOFS bookmarked, but windfinder is on my phone and iPad so I use it more.
Its updated now - doesn't coincide with other forcasts I'm consulting. Shows winds out of the north at the start clocking to easterly later than my other sources which show it having clocked easterly by the 3PM start. All sources agree its gonna' be light. So forecasts looking like a run or beam reach at the start. Any body wanna' bet we're close hauled crossing the start line?


Tide is with us at the start, so the east or west decision won't have to be made at the start. I guess as far as "tactics" at this point my plan is to find the guys that beat me last year and try to stay on their hip until I come up with something brilliant.
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Re: Crew wanted for Gov Cup Ches Bay MD

What I'm seeing, is that the wind will be in the process of clocking from SE to E at the time of the 3pm starts, and we'll have basically no wind at all.

Then, the breeze will fill in from the east around 4 or 5pm. After that, we MAY get some NE, and possibly a night time spinnaker reach. That'll be fun as hell. I've never done that.

There are some big, heavy boats in PHRF C. My only hope is that the wind stays strong enough to keep me moving, yet light enough to keep them wallowing and unable to build up a head of steam.

There's a J/24 and Kirby 25 in my class. They're going to just walk away from everyone in the light breeze.
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Re: Crew wanted for Gov Cup Ches Bay MD

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Its updated now - doesn't coincide with other forcasts I'm consulting.
Right. It's a 72 hour model that is updated (I think) twice a day.

It doesn't coincide with the wide area models. It attempts to account for the effects of topography and land/water temperature differentials. In my experience over the last few years it is much better than any other product for the Chesapeake.

Nothing is perfect and YMMV.
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Re: Crew wanted for Gov Cup Ches Bay MD

Bubble, don't be too worried about the little guys, if it's a reach for forward of the beam, stay powered up and you'll do fine. Look into cross sheeting if you can. You have waterline over both those boats. If it goes super light, it's a crap shoot. Just keep the boat moving toward the mark, and don't worry if people pull away in different breeze. Strange things happen in very light air.

I'll be on Widow Maker a C&C 44. And from what I hear, we'll eat like kings. Which will be a completely different Gov Cup experience for me. Maybe I'll sleep this year? Yeah right...

We will see some close hauled sailing at some point. I promise you. The breeze is supposed to build later in the morning, which will compress the fleet after rounding point lookout, so keep the pedal down, crew fresh, and the chute up. Otherwise, getting corrected over is a real possibility.

Hope to see you guys at the college, I won't be staying for the party.
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Re: Crew wanted for Gov Cup Ches Bay MD

We're a couple hours from the start for most -- looks to me like a light air start clocking and building through the afternoon. Line of thunderstorms is moving over the area and will cross the mid-Bay after the start. Expect, of course, flaky directions as the line of thunderstorms approach. Wind should be up behind the initial storm cells.

Note these are local thunderstorms and not associated with a cold front. Once the leading edge is past wind direction should stabilize. There will be local wind effects.

Put your best trimmers on early and keep them happy. Don't cleat anything down. Your tactician should spend as much time watching the sky as the field. If your boat has an owner/skipper/helmsman/tactician someone should be designated as weather watcher.

If what I think I see happens you should be able to fly your chute from dusk until about 4.

Best of luck to all the SN participants.
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Re: Crew wanted for Gov Cup Ches Bay MD

Looks like you guys had an epic Gov Cup. I'm jealous.
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Re: Crew wanted for Gov Cup Ches Bay MD

It was not the easiest race. I was in the after guard on a Bene 44.7. We saw good breeze most of the night with a lot of wind around 2:00 am. That led to a very knarly jib chance in high winds, driving rain, and short chop. The race was mostly a close reach with a very short broad reach as we approached the lighthouse. It started raining around midnight and got really ugly on the trip up the river. I ended up driving from 8:30 or so until the finish with two short breaks to eat something and put on warmer clothing. I still have boat-lag but not too badly. I have no idea how we finished.
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Re: Crew wanted for Gov Cup Ches Bay MD

Really gotta see the replay on this one. I was there and have no idea what happened. lol

Thought we were looking good from what we could tell with the dang tracker, but in the results, the boat we thought we were chasing all night (and that spanked me last year) ended up behind us and two boats that we never knew were ahead of us based on the tracker info, finished ahead of us.

I really want to see the tracking on this one to see what, if anything, we could have done better. I thought I'd put the boat in a pretty good place and don't think I could expect much more boat speed than we got. I was only minutes behind the 2nd place boat this year and the 1st place boat was a Catalina nearly 10' longer than mine with a nearly identical rating. I probably let myself get complacent thinking we were comfortably in 2nd (based on the apparently flawed tacking data) and would earn a pickle dish. If we knew we were third, we maybe could have found a way to make up those few minutes, but maybe not.


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OK I've watched the replay and understand what happened now and why we were misled by the tracker. Several of the boats that finished ahead of and near me had tracker issues. It looks like one didn't transmit until almost half way through the race and the other stopped transmitting at some point and one had a gap for during the time they rounded Pt Look out.

It looks like the finish order among the 1st 4 boats in Founders Cruising class was pretty much established fairly early in the race. It looked like Promise(Not transmitting at the start) and Midnight Breeze took the lead early with Full Tilt a bit behind them and us neck and neck with Arriba. Over the course of the race Promise began transmitting and Midnight Breeze quit. Full Tilt had a navigational issue at Point No Point and Arriba and us got ahead of them, so going into St. Marys River the actual order was Promise, Midnight Breeze, Arriba then us. However, the tracker at that point would be showing Promise leading, Midnight Breeze and Arriba weren't transmitting at that point so the tracker showed Promise first, us second and Full Tilt behind us - which is what we saw Sat Am when I got the whole crew back on deck just prior to the gybe into the Potomac.

The tracker convinces me we sailed about as good a race as we could have. We hung right with boats owing us time from the start through out the night. Perhaps we could have shaved a bit off on the tacks going up the St. Marys, but no one was at their sharpest at that point.

If Full Tilt hadn't blundered at Pt. No Point, I almost certainly would be another place down and if we'd had blundered I could have been 5th. I think to do any better against these boats, I'd have to have a race where there was more of a chance to make a mistake and have everyone but me make some.
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Re: Crew wanted for Gov Cup Ches Bay MD

Bill, we (Midnight Breeze) were puzzled as to what was going on with the tracker. Watching the playback, there's actually two entries for us. One goes from the start until about Cove Point (if I remember correctly) where it just stops. If you switch to the other entry, it picks up about midway and goes all the way to the finish. We have no idea why it did that. Rick had it on his phone and had the app running all night long. I didn't look at the track until Saturday evening.

I was the tactician for the race and we stayed on the western shore side. Once we cleared Herring Bay, we were able to get on a straight line course until we made the gybe into the Potomac. I was taking my turn on the helm when we got slammed by that storm, whole lotta fun that was, felt like I was holding on to a bucking horse! Had one of our crew turn into a sack of potatoes from all the boat motion, he didn't really recover until we were approaching the finish line.

I'm assuming you guys heard about the Yellow Jacket crew member that had to be evacuated during the race due to hypothermia? I was so thankful I had a good set of foulies on...

All in all, a wild and crazy Gov Cup!

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Re: Crew wanted for Gov Cup Ches Bay MD

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Bill, we (Midnight Breeze) were puzzled as to what was going on with the tracker. Watching the playback, there's actually two entries for us. One goes from the start until about Cove Point (if I remember correctly) where it just stops. If you switch to the other entry, it picks up about midway and goes all the way to the finish. We have no idea why it did that. Rick had it on his phone and had the app running all night long. I didn't look at the track until Saturday evening.

I was the tactician for the race and we stayed on the western shore side. Once we cleared Herring Bay, we were able to get on a straight line course until we made the gybe into the Potomac. I was taking my turn on the helm when we got slammed by that storm, whole lotta fun that was, felt like I was holding on to a bucking horse! Had one of our crew turn into a sack of potatoes from all the boat motion, he didn't really recover until we were approaching the finish line.

I'm assuming you guys heard about the Yellow Jacket crew member that had to be evacuated during the race due to hypothermia? I was so thankful I had a good set of foulies on...

All in all, a wild and crazy Gov Cup!

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Hi Russ, I noticed that also and was able to see your track all the way through by selecting both "Midnight Breezes". The track from Promise doesn't pick up until down past Herring Bay.

Our tracks are nearly identical and we didn't finish that far behind you, so I'm guessing our experiences were pretty similar. I just don't know how much better we could have done this year to finish close enough to correct over you guys. I think we gave some up in the St. Marys which I attribute to everyone being somewhat fatigued at that point. I really felt this year was our chance to get a pickle dish, but it wasn't to be. I don't know if its the fact we've done the race a few times now or better preparation this year, but from my perspective this was the easiest Gov Cup we've ever done. The highest winds were less than our first year and more on the beam than nose. We've had to beat into winds like that all night on 2 previous races. This year there was exactly one gybe between Herring Bay and St. Mary's River. From midnight to 4 AM, It was just me and one crew on deck. While the rest slept until the gybe into the Potomac. Take away the rain and it was a cake walk.

Whine and Cheese mode on: I try not to complain about PHRF, but rating a Catalina 445 almost identically to a Catalina 36 is kinda bogus. Promise's finish time would put them mid-pack in the super cruiser fleet which and I think they should rate in the 140's at the bare minimum. It was a much closer race among the other boats in Founders class.
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