Electronics overkill? - SailNet Community
 7Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 18 Old 06-19-2013 Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 61
Thanks: 6
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 6
 
Electronics overkill?

Besides radios, depth-sounder, GPS and Radar is there really any other electronics needed for a lengthy cruise? Just saying, it seems like much is made of the variety, age and condition of a bunch of electronics when talking to brokers. Seems much ado about nothing. Or am I missing something.
lawsonmitchell is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 18 Old 06-19-2013
Just another Moderator
 
Faster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Westminster, BC
Posts: 16,534
Thanks: 104
Thanked 310 Times in 300 Posts
Rep Power: 10
     
Re: Electronics overkill?

Define your 'lengthy cruise'... both in duration and intended destinations. In many area's I'd suggest that radar is not a necessity, nor is GPS however it's a major convenience. I think radio and depth sounder are the basic minimum, a knotmeter is nice to have too for sail trim. I think wind instruments are another 'nice to have' but certainly not necessary.

But there's no denying the convenience of having a plotter screen with your position shown to you.. the risk, of course, is getting too complacent with it all...
Alex W likes this.

Ron

1984 Fast/Nicholson 345 "FastForward"

".. there is much you could do at sea with common sense.. and very little you could do without it.."
Capt G E Ericson (from "The Cruel Sea" by Nicholas Monsarrat)
Faster is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #3 of 18 Old 06-19-2013 Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 61
Thanks: 6
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 6
 
Re: Electronics overkill?

Med to Caribbean to Florida.
lawsonmitchell is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #4 of 18 Old 06-19-2013
no longer reading SailNet
 
Alex W's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 2,309
Thanks: 2
Thanked 140 Times in 133 Posts
Rep Power: 3
 
Re: Electronics overkill?

I'm doing a moderate length cruise (5 weeks) later this year and my electronics list does not include radar. We'll see if that is the right decision or not when I get back.

I'm no longer participating on SailNet.
Alex W is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #5 of 18 Old 06-19-2013
Senior Member
 
Tim R.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Portland, Maine
Posts: 1,545
Thanks: 1
Thanked 27 Times in 26 Posts
Rep Power: 13
 
Re: Electronics overkill?

Some I would not consider necessary but rather an increase in safety margin. Radar is essential if you are sailing at night or in fog. AIS is helpful mainly to contact commercial boats to determine intentions. A spare GPS and radio are not a bad idea. In the absence of a GPS, a knotmeter is very useful.

For a crossing I would not go without some redundancy in the systems above and also an AIS transceiver, Epirb and either Sat phone or SSB(or HAM)

You will also want a portable VHF for the ditch bag.

Tim R.
Our Carina is for sale
1997 Caliber 40LRC

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

-----------------------------------------------------
Tim R. is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #6 of 18 Old 06-19-2013 Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 61
Thanks: 6
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 6
 
Re: Electronics overkill?

I will definitely carry a spare handheld GPS and VHF. Haven't decided about SSB or SAT-Phone. I'm guessing SSB would allow weather faxes. Haven't researched weather via SAT-Phone.

1972 Dufour Arpege Galadriel
Prior owner on Pearson 39-2 Periwinkle
Boca Ciega Yacht Club, Gulfport, Florida
lawsonmitchell is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #7 of 18 Old 06-19-2013
Just another Moderator
 
Faster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Westminster, BC
Posts: 16,534
Thanks: 104
Thanked 310 Times in 300 Posts
Rep Power: 10
     
Re: Electronics overkill?

Offshore/trans-ocean, definitely a different wish list.. I'll leave it to the local resident experts here

Ron

1984 Fast/Nicholson 345 "FastForward"

".. there is much you could do at sea with common sense.. and very little you could do without it.."
Capt G E Ericson (from "The Cruel Sea" by Nicholas Monsarrat)
Faster is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #8 of 18 Old 06-20-2013
Bristol 45.5 - AiniA
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 3,856
Thanks: 5
Thanked 96 Times in 84 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
Re: Electronics overkill?

For the trip you are considering I would suggest, roughly in order of importance (start spending at the top and stop when you run out of money).

- electronic nav system, either plotter or laptop-based
- not sure what you are doing for steering, but autopilot would go here if you go this way
- VHF
- good barometer, I am including it since I like the electronic kind (I have a Weems and Plath)
- AIS transceiver, really useful
- some way to get weather, either SSB or sat phone
- backup self steering, we have a vane for primary with electric for backup
- backup nav (we have an iPad, not just for this, with Navionics Gold charts, also gives you a backup GPS), at least a cheap GPS and enough paper charts to get you to the next stop
- backup VHF, handheld is fine
- radar (would be higher if you were going to an area where fog is common, not needed at night, eyes work fine), we rarely use our radar, mainly to see if there is a way around storm cells
Faster likes this.

Back home on Lake Ontario after something over 36,000 nm circumnavigator. Not surprisingly there is a lot of stuff I want to get done on Ainia both cosmetically and functionally. Getting an early start so it will be ready to go for next summer (Lake Superior?).
killarney_sailor is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #9 of 18 Old 06-20-2013
Senior Member
 
MarkofSeaLife's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 2,962
Thanks: 42
Thanked 122 Times in 103 Posts
Rep Power: 5
 
Dock
Re: Electronics overkill?

Quote:
Originally Posted by lawsonmitchell View Post
Med to Caribbean to Florida.
Absolutly 100% must have is:
AIS Transponder
ECN chartplotter/PC etc that runs AIS
VHF
EPIRB
Autopilot.


Not necessary:
Radar
SSB radio

Remember two boats have been lost doing transatlantic this year, one at least looks like it was hit by a ship. You really need AIS its the only thing that can show ships where you are as opposed to showing only you where ships are.

Mark
Faster likes this.

Sea Life
Notes on a Circumnavigation:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
MarkofSeaLife is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #10 of 18 Old 06-20-2013 Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 61
Thanks: 6
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 6
 
Re: Electronics overkill?

OK. I think I have a sensible, but short list of electronics.
EPIRB a given. Should be required.
I'm thinking windvane over autopilot.
And while AIS sees ships it doesn't see squalls.
Though I will probably get an AIS transciever to interface with PC-based GPS Chart plotter. Seems like sensible redundancy.
Depth gauge
VHF x 2
SSB or sat phone
Handheld GPS
Radar (Unless I can be convinced it can be comfortably replaced by AIS)

1972 Dufour Arpege Galadriel
Prior owner on Pearson 39-2 Periwinkle
Boca Ciega Yacht Club, Gulfport, Florida
lawsonmitchell is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Old electronics? justsammer Gear & Maintenance 11 07-30-2014 05:02 PM
Overkill Solar? 71Irwin32 Gear & Maintenance 25 09-13-2012 12:16 PM
New Electronics Arclight Electronics 5 08-10-2010 06:32 PM
[Overkill?] New rules for visiting the U.S. now enforced Valiente Cruising & Liveaboard Forum 26 02-11-2008 01:43 AM
Electronics Darco1 Cruising & Liveaboard Forum 2 04-08-2005 03:20 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome