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Re: Miss Liberty vs the landlubbing haters!

I know, long winded, my apologies, but the Devil here is in the details. So, I know some guys here that do commercial recoveries and I begged, rented, or borrowed enough equipment to handle about any condition I thought Miss Liberty could conceivably be in up to and including refloat from as deep as 30 or so feet, rented a good deck boat as a work platform, and went to go get a good meal for me and a few buddies who agreed to be unskilled labor for food on that lovely albeit chilly Friday afternoon... And got arrested at the Hess station hanging out waiting for them to show up for 'Felony Derelict/Abandoned Vessel', with all that equipment, much of it RENTED, remember, with a NO BOND hold,because Pasco County considered the undelivered notice a 'failure to appear'! I tryed all weekend to contact someone to no avail, and on Monday I went before a judge who then refused to release me on my own recognizance, and since all anyone knew was that I had borrowed a bunch of expensive equipment and then vanished, because since I had been transferred directly to Pasco, it took 13 DAYS to arrange a friend to find me and come 27 miles away and put up property and 100 dollars to pay a$500 dollar bail! The rental companies I got some of the equipment from were ticked, and blackballed me from further rentals because I didn't have money to pay the added fees. ...more in a bit...
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Ditto on PorFin's comment. Just about everything you described in your unfortunate tale would have been reimbursed and made whole to at least some degree by properly insuring your vessel and personal property. If the situation is that you chose not to carry insurance for whatever reason, then you are in fact totally responsible and get zero sympathy from me.
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Re: Miss Liberty vs the landlubbing haters!

ok a few more post and the OP can link photos, and this is making my head hurt, i am like WTH

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What Sandy has to do with west coast of Florida?

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Re: Miss Liberty vs the landlubbing haters!

Been giving this some thought, and trying to read between the lines (which may be useless since some details are either wrong or make absolutely no sense)...

- 42' ferro-cement boat, laying at anchor in the same spot for 5+ years.
- Owner not living aboard, but "visiting" every other week or so.
- Owner apparently also has no fixed shoreside residence.
- From the description, the boat is either a floating apartment or a floating storage unit -- even those self-indulgent power boaters we love to poke fun at would think that a 90" TV has no business on a real seaworthy vessel that's less than 160' LOA.
- Owner has boat firmly attached to the bottom with 750' of 3" chain (in an area that never exceeds 12' of depth) at the northern end of the ICW along FL's west coast.
- Owner declined to insure his boat (basically assuming all risk himself.)
- For some reason that is so far unclear, both the owner and the vessel caught and held the attention of local LEO's.
- Don't know if the vessel registration was kept up to date.
- LEO's had been trying to engage the owner for a long time before the vessel was listed as "at risk."
- The live aboard owner was not present to defend his "home" when looters/salvors descended.
- Hurricane Sandy's impact on the west coast of Florida was fairly minor, so that's probably been thrown in there just to elicit sympathy.

Captmetatron -- forgive me for being harsh, but as the saying goes "it sucks to be you."

You took a gamble and lost. Had you carried insurance on the boat, you'd have far fewer problems than you are facing today.

The story of your arrest also raises more questions than anything else.

Frankly, you and your vessel are the epitome of exactly WHY Florida is enacting laws that make life for cruisers more challenging these days.

Do I feel sorry for you? A little. But you gotta live with the decisions you've made.
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Re: Miss Liberty vs the landlubbing haters!

5 years without moving says houseboat to me rather than a liveaboard cruiser.

But having some experience with local authorities in Florida and how they deal with people they perceive to be vagrants squatting without paying local taxes I suspect that they will use all the bits of the law that they can to get you out of there.

Anyway is your boat water tight and will it stay afloat if moved to deep water? Does it have a working engine. Do you have a destination in mind if it is refloated.
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Re: Miss Liberty vs the landlubbing haters!

I am still unclear why we are being told this tale of woe. Does this guy just like to hear himself talk? Did he think that average boaters who actually pay their bills were going to sympathize with him? Or is he gonna hit us up for money?
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Re: Miss Liberty vs the landlubbing haters!

I want to hear more about the "3" chain" and the "iron Danforth".
I would be scared to mess with thieves who could steal 250 yards of 3" chain.

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I want to hear more about the "3" chain" and the "iron Danforth".
I would be scared to mess with thieves who could steal 250 yards of 3" chain.
Yea, and a 500 gallon stainless steel fuel tank, and a restaurant hood, with all that equipment there must have been no room to walk around inside! I wonder if he had a washer and drier on deck? must have been hanging pretty low in the water.
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Re: Miss Liberty vs the landlubbing haters!

reminds me of this story.

Stuck in the sand on Gulfport Beach, his life at sea slides toward an unhappy end | Tampa Bay Times

I never really understood the group that got together to help him out. It was a nice gesture, but I am sure the boat is no better off now that it off the beach. Perhaps the OP wants some help like folks did for "captain jay" you know a free get out of the marsh card or something.
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