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I also would like to hear more on the 250 yards of 3" chain. There's big and then there's BIG. How can you carry 250 yards of 3" chain on a 42' boat? 1/2" chain is massive. 200' is a lot. This would seem impossible to store, carry or haul up. Where do you get a windlass for that? Lemme guess, you haul it up by hand, right?
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To address a couple things... she was not anchored in the same place continuously for five years, but there was a place in the Mandalay Channel I always came back to. Her being anchored near Anclote was the result of an aborted trip to Crystal River, I didn't expect to be anchored out,I thought to be docked at the end of the trip, hense no insurance, I didn't expect Liberty to stay there.
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The persons responsible for Miss Liberty's current condition are unknown at this time, they stripped her while she was at anchor near Anclote Key on the shoreward side by virtue of 250 yards of 3 inch chain with a 75lb. Danforth iron anchor. She was self-sufficient,reliable bilge pumps, batteries, solar and wind generators, proper decking and hatch covers,she'd remained COMFORTABLY afloat through tropical storms cum hurricanes and a tornado for over five years in the Mandalay channel, less than thirteen miles away. The Pasco County Sheriff posted her on the derelict albandoned at-risk vessel database and it was like he'd put a flag out that said 'hit me' they took EVERYTHING made of metal or containing it,all the wiring, batteries, solar panels, wind generators I invented, bilge pumps, inverters charge controllers, hatches, 8 Perko bronze(brass?) portholes, a 500 gallon stainless fuel tank from under the back deck that they ripped up to get, and probably last but most assuredly not least, the anchor (one assumes) and the 250 foot 3 inch iron anchor chain, and assorted goodies, my 90 inch wifi enabled plasma tv, 1000 watt stereo,guitars, amps, my computers and laptops, nav/sonar equipment, the entire binnacle, compass, wheel, stand all, stainless steel stove and restaurant hood and microwave, two refrigerators, a deep freezer, all of the lights and fixtutes and wiring, even (sorry, will continue in next post, ( the aluminum toilet paper roll holder.
So someone stole 750 ft. of 3 " chain. Come on....really

90 feet weighs 7650 lbs. according to the chart in the link. So they made off with 63,375 lbs. of chain if 250 yards

Even if it was 250 ft. That equals 21,250 lbs. How did they retrieve that? Did they beam it up from the spaceship hiding behind the sun? 10.5 tons of chain??????

STUD LINK ANCHOR CHAIN SPECS

You left a floating storage shed tied to the bottom with 21,250 lbs f chain and it moved? Its not a boat . How did it stay afloat when you " pulled" the chain aboard. Sounds like a lot of exaggeration here...care to send a picture?
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Another point, I never abandoned the Miss Liberty, even now I haven't, she's my home, and I love her it can all still be fixed. The interferance by law enforcement accomplished no public service or benefit to the tax payer, all they did is make it harder on me, a kick while I'm down. If anything it will cost taxpayers needlessly to have brought all this to court. The Pasco county sherriff has mishandled the whole thing since day one, and should be held accountable for just trying to make money hiding their own fault,if Miss Liberty had never been looted, none of this would have happened,. How is it possible that they spend all day every day right there but allowed this to happen? It had to have taken some time to rip up the deck and take the fuel tank, and the wheel and all, they'd have have to have had some idea of the fact that what was going on wasn't kosher. And rather than pursue the question of who stripped the ship, they pursue ME.
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The current plan is to take a couple jet skis and a deck boat up and put her on a kind of outrigger made out of 55 gallon drums and firehose to sling her sideways, reducing the keel depth, till I can get her back to deep enough water, then take her to a dock to fix her back up.
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To address a couple things... she was not anchored in the same place continuously for five years, but there was a place in the Mandalay Channel I always came back to.
it is a fine, nuanced, difference, but a difference nonethesame...
no it's not.
your boat apparently looked derelict, smelled derelict, was for all intents and purposes derelict, and after years of neglect now yo whine about somebody salvaging the boat you refused to?

As soon as i read "ferro-cement" and "florida" I knew this was not going to end well.

No, that is not skipper-profiling, that is just plain observing the law of probabilities.

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The current plan is to take a couple jet skis and a deck boat up and put her on a kind of outrigger made out of 55 gallon drums and firehose to sling her sideways, reducing the keel depth, till I can get her back to deep enough water, then take her to a dock to fix her back up.
okay, now i know he is trolling.

any being this obtuse would normally need a feedbag.

sure, its a great idea to rescue a grounded Samson"sailing basement"... with jet skis.

oh, yeah, and the mother of all salvage ships...
a deck boat.

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To address a couple things... she was not anchored in the same place continuously for five years, but there was a place in the Mandalay Channel I always came back to. Her being anchored near Anclote was the result of an aborted trip to Crystal River, I didn't expect to be anchored out,I thought to be docked at the end of the trip, hense no insurance, I didn't expect Liberty to stay there.
How does that equate to not having insurance? If you don't have insurance you take on all risk and have no reason to complain. If you planned to be docked, I would imagine any marina would require insurance.

Try posting photos again I think you may have enough posts now, but don't use facebook posts as lots of folks here don't use facebook.

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okay, now i know he is trolling.

any being this obtuse would normally need a feedbag.

sure, its a great idea to rescue a grounded Samson"sailing basement"... with jet skis.

oh, yeah, and the mother of all salvage ships...
a deck boat.

*facepalm*
You forgot 55 gallon drums, likely to be successful at lifting concrete that is likely saturated with water.
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Re: Miss Liberty vs the landlubbing haters!

I can't help but question this whole thing and what is wanted by the poster. Not to mention the chain and anchor. Why/how on Gods green earth would anyone use 250 ft. of 3 inch chain on an 42 ft. boat? When 5/8" chain and a 44 lb. anchor would stick and do the job. Come on. I'm calling BS.
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