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Re: How much maintenance and repair, really?

Wow! Thank you all for the examples and advice! Real world data is quite useful for pondering the whole boat-owning equation. I'm the DIY type through and through so I'll lean to the 10% figure. Used to work in aircraft maintenance.
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Noticed the Float switch on the bilge pump wasn't working. Circuit checked out ok. Removed the switch inspected, found cracked casing, replaced with a new switch..works fine. $35.00 part, about an hour or so of labor.
How does a casing crack sitting in the bilge? I suspect I'd pend 80 hrs a month redesigning and building stuff for higher reliability.
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Re: How much maintenance and repair, really?

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I can only supply a little annecdotal data, but here's a list of my most recent two month's activity on my 41' liveaboard/cruising 1973 ketch.

1- Replace LED anchor light at masthead (ca $20)
2- Change oil in Yanmar & Kubota genset (ca 1.75gal of oil)
3- Change braces under genoa sheet blocks (two cut tennis balls)
4- Change two Raycor 500 filter bails (ca $40)
5- Check Kubota zinc (no cost)
6- Re-set stern pulpit stainless braces (no cost)
7- Refit & replace forward head macerator, momentary switch & fuse case (ca $215)

I think this is typical for me, but sometimes I do much more and sometimes much less.
Add to that the "prorated" costs of re-doing the bottom every few years, replacing sails, running rigging, standing rigging, et cetera every 10 years or so........

It all adds up.
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Re: How much maintenance and repair, really?

And let's not forget the relation between boat size and maintenance costs and man hours. There is a certain point in boat size where it becomes an onerous task to keep everything tidy and working. Scraping the bottom of a 32 footer with a mask and snorkel is an hour's work or less. Doing the same on a 50 footer is a lot of work!! I had the enlightening experience of visiting a French couple's 45 foot catamaran recently. I invited them over to my boat for a beer. They said it was their "cleaning day" and they had to wash the boat and dust and clean inside first. They didn't arrive for that beer until 7 hours later!
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Re: How much maintenance and repair, really?

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How does a casing crack sitting in the bilge? I suspect I'd pend 80 hrs a month redesigning and building stuff for higher reliability.
Who knows. I left the mast up this winter. Water gets in to the bilge via the mast. Can't really be helped. Though, I put anti-freeze in the bilge and remove a centerboard bolt that allows water to drain out of the bilge through the centerboard trunk above a certain level. I periodically pump out any water that remains and add more anti-freeze; it's possible that there may have been a freeze thaw cycle that I missed. I should look for a better widget or process.
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Maintenance is neither time-consuming nor expensive - if you don't do it. This seems to be the motto for most of the boats in my marina. --




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Re: How much maintenance and repair, really?

I am in my 11th year as a ful time cruising liveaboard. I can roughly divide the people I see into three groups.

Type 1 Some people buy old wooden boats with wooden masts and lots of exposed wood which is beautifully varnished and lots of complex systems like water makers, generators, complex fridge freezes and air conditioning. They do not own the boat, the boat owns them especially if they keep the varnish work in concours condition. That is fine some of them like keeping busy which is good as it will be just about a full time job with a little time left over to go sailing. If they are seen in the early morning wiping the dew of the varnish you have a type 1 for sure.

Type 2 Some people buy boats with little or no exposed wood, grp hulls and solar panels instead of generators, large tanks instead of water makers and kep the boat as simple as they can. Anything safety related like a suspect clamp on a thu hull is fixed immediately but a scrape on the topside can wait till haul out and even then only gets attended to once the bottom paint is on and the zincs changed. Type 2s do not sweat the small stuff. Other than the annual haulout they may only spend a couple of hours a week working on the boat. Of course they may have spent the last week tracking down something they needed and arranging for it's delivery. ANybody who does a fair amount of sailing say 7+ days a month tends to be a type 2. I regard myself as a type 2.

Type 3 May have any kind of boat but their watch word is "If it ain't broke don't fix it. " They rarely fix anything. Their boats often have rust streaks down the side, frayed ends to ropes and display 2 or more outboards none of which run reliably if at all. Their main engine is often U/S for long periods. When they do have to fix something it tends to be a major job. Some of their boats have really unusual repairs or adaptations. They often have a fairly large dog, a large stock of beer/rum/mind altering substances and most rarely sail if at all. Surprisingly some type 3 s manage to circumnavigate.

Type 1s are slaves to their boats. Type 3s defer work until it is a major job and some have boats whch are at risk of sinking. They actually may spend more time on maintance work than a type 2. In my view it is best to be a type 2. The boat may be a little scruffy but it is fit to go to sea most of the time and all safety related items will be working when they do.
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Re: How much maintenance and repair, really?

I rapidly scanned this thread from start to finish and the one line I missed was....

No matter what type of boat and what personality / maintenance style you have. the more frequent and effective your Planned Maintenance on your boat the less time you will spend fixing broken items.

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Re: How much maintenance and repair, really?

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And let's not forget the relation between boat size and maintenance costs and man hours. There is a certain point in boat size where it becomes an onerous task to keep everything tidy and working. Scraping the bottom of a 32 footer with a mask and snorkel is an hour's work or less. Doing the same on a 50 footer is a lot of work!! I had the enlightening experience of visiting a French couple's 45 foot catamaran recently. I invited them over to my boat for a beer. They said it was their "cleaning day" and they had to wash the boat and dust and clean inside first. They didn't arrive for that beer until 7 hours later!
You got that right. There are a lot of days I wish I had my 32 footer back, instead of the 42 footer I have now.

It's rarely the sailing part of the boat that breaks. It's usually the "Winnebago" stuff that needs working on and the 42 footer has ten more feet of that stuff.
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