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No I haven't, but when I go I will.

I will do whatever is the prevailing medical prevention technique at the time.

Malaria is not the flu. I think you should look at it as a risk vs reward problem. I sail w/ a gal who gets motion sickness in a car. She loves to sail. She takes the prescription level med, plus bands. Sure it makes her a little tired sometimes. Yep, sometimes she isn't 100%. But she once didn't take it and hurled for 8 hrs straight.

This maybe is a bad analogy, but I think appropriate. If the side effects are minimal, and allow you to have a cruise through an area w/ out the potential on set of a serious problem, then I think it's worth it. JMHO.
One of the other issues is the long term affect of taking anti malaria medication. Sometimes the cure is just as bad as the bite. Sure a few times might be ok, but for years and years? Not sure. The preventative measures most assuredly. As Zee pointed out Dengue is a much bigger risk factor in Mexico and the same holds true here in SE Asia.
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Since getting malaria (My strain was called "p.vivax"), I have taken the anti-malaria meds so I didnt get the other strains in my travels. I had no significant side effects.
Trust me, you do not want to get malaria. If that army doc hadn't happened along, it coulda killed me and it was seriously unpleasant unlike something like the flu which is merely a discomfort.
I did get mine in the jungle of Belize. Before my trip, I inquired of the local health dept what I should take and they never mentioned malaria. Later, they told me they thought i was going to some resort on the coast and not wandering in the jungle looking for caves.
However, I see that the type of skeeters that cause p. vivax can also be found on the coast.
The med side effects are minimal. the disease is a killer.
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Many meds, even prophylactic gin and tonics have some side effects. Going to Panama City or vacationing in Costa Rica or the mountains anywhere I'd take my chances avoiding mosquitos.
Hacking a new Panama Canal through the jungle I'd get everything they got ( memory loss, insanity, insomnia and impotence be damned).
That said, I'm more afraid of dengue ( it will make you wished you died as opposed to make you dead) than I am of malaria and some malaria meds. There are bats that bite in the night and fish that swim up any handy urethra to worry about, not to mention havoc spawned by deforestation, global warming and the possible bites of returning dinosaurs.
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Before my trip, I inquired of the local health dept what I should take and they never mentioned malaria. Later, they told me they thought i was going to some resort on the coast and not wandering in the jungle looking for caves.
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Ye gads man! Caves?!? That is where the bats and the bat guano are. Willingly going into caves (unless you are a miner) is a bit crazy, but hell, have at it. Willingly going into a certifiable "bat ****" zone without mask, meds and a lot of counseling trying to talk you out of that is nuts.
I went to Costa Rica, visited a volcano. Did not jump into the lava even though the local health department never mentioned I was not fireproof.
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My Dad got a strain of Malaria in the Philippines during WWII.

Believe it or not, he got one 24-48 hour attack every February, just once a year, until he died almost 50 years later. I never understood the February thing, it wasn't because of cold weather (Miami). ???

He was a big strong tough man, and as a kid it was scary as hell seeing him reduced to a quivering chattering ball under every blanket in the house (Miami), or alternately soaking wet with sweat, blankets on the floor, AC wide open. Like timing a tide, he would have to wait for a slack time to even get up and to the bathroom. He would lose a visibly noticeable amount of weight from dehydration in just those few hours. The relentless torture during the episode would leave him exhausted, like he had gone running for 24-48 hours, sapped and drained.

I agree that there are lots of awful critters to catch out there, and won't let that stop me, but we should be smart and prevent the preventable. You can see why I personally put malaria on the serious list.

Don't depend on a Doctor, do your own research and find out what is currently floating around at your destinations. Your Doctor probably hasn't been there, will check his book from whenever ago, and off you'll go. I have no problem offending the Doctor with my own good information, and if the Doctor has a problem with it I need a new Doctor!

I just realized the irony, Dad got his in the Army, Froggy got diagnosed by an Army Doc, maybe that's why he knew. Frogwatch's story ruins all the Fox Army Hospital (Redstone, Huntsville) jokes I heard in 20 years around there. I know, they are generic military doctor jokes, but they were usually mixed with a real horror story or two.

If you're going to the jungle, take it, some things are better safe than sorry.


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I doubt that quinine water still has enough quinine to actually be a malaria prophylactic but it's a good excuse for a good SG&T (Sundown Gin and Tonic).

Yes, caves, my other obsession (or used to be). I have even managed to combine sailing and caving by taking my caving buddies to the Abacos to look for caves. I really want to go to Cat Island in the bahamas to look for some deeper caves. I'd thought my caving days were over but now my 17 yr old daughter is seriously into it so in spite of the fact that my knees are worn out from caving, no way I'd allow my daughter to be alone with any cavers, true low lifes.

Ahhhh, bat guano, smalls and tastes like adventure (if you get over the histoplasmosis)
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My Dad got a strain of Malaria in the Philippines during WWII.

Believe it or not, he got one 24-48 hour attack every February, just once a year, until he died almost 50 years later. I never understood the February thing, it wasn't because of cold weather (Miami). ???
I was on Guadalcanal for 2 years. At the time there were two basic strains: falciparum and vivax. I got the falci after blowing off the meds for 6 months and relying solely on G&Ts (much more fun).

The vivax won't typically kill you outright, but it stays in your liver forever and keeps coming back. That's probably what your dad had.

The falci can kill you, but once it's gone, it's gone. I hammered it with chloriquine and did okay. Super high fever and hallucinations, but not too bad.

I was there during the 50th anniversary of the battle for GC and met many vets, US, Solis, and Japanese. After seeing all the holes blown in hundreds of palm trees and imagining working my way through that kind of steel blizzard at 19 - I had nothing but respect for all of them.

(The prophylax sucks. I won't take it. But I'm willing to take my chances in places I sail. And I won't be sailing to Mali.)
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I doubt that quinine water still has enough quinine to actually be a malaria prophylactic but it's a good excuse for a good SG&T (Sundown Gin and Tonic).

Yes, caves, my other obsession (or used to be). I have even managed to combine sailing and caving by taking my caving buddies to the Abacos to look for caves. I really want to go to Cat Island in the bahamas to look for some deeper caves. I'd thought my caving days were over but now my 17 yr old daughter is seriously into it so in spite of the fact that my knees are worn out from caving, no way I'd allow my daughter to be alone with any cavers, true low lifes.

Ahhhh, bat guano, smalls and tastes like adventure (if you get over the histoplasmosis)

I assume you have done sunset on the water at the Bat Cave on Lake Guntersville, down near the Dam. Still one of the coolest things I've seen, innumerable bats, like a cloud, spreading out over the water.

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Yup, the Falci is the really bad kind. They mostly have it in Africa. When people decry that Africa does so poorly, they fail to take it into account. Malaria has killed more people than all other plagues combined. It reduces the economies of stricken nations to the poverty level and is the most significant barrier to economic development of those nations. You can hate Microsoft all you want (and I do) but Gates has given his fortune to developing a malaria vaccine because he realizes this. People who have malaria simply cannot function even when it is in remission (without meds).
Until swamps were drained. much of the Gulfcoast of the USA was uninhabitable.
AIR CONDITIONING was invented by John Gorrie in 1854 in Apalachicola, Florida (really, 1854) because he was a doctor who wanted to cool his malaria patients (steam engine driven compressor compressing air that was then cooled with brine. Ice formed on the coils and he hung a pail of ice beneath a tall chimney over a patients bed. Gorrie died poor, after all who cared about anything in Apalachicola, FL in 1854.
Two towns in N. FL in the early 1800s were wiped out by combined yellow fever and malaria. It is weird that HIV kills less than .001X the number of people malaria kills but HIV research is funded so much more.
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