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Youo could sell the boat and buy one with a oven already in it.

Certainly be lunacy cruising anywhere without an oven. Whats the GF going to cook the bunnies in?

A $2,000 fitting for something you use 6 times per day every day for a 5 years cruise and then a 10 year senility is cheap as chups for a boat.

And if you dont use propane what would you use? Buy some firewood?


So look at you, not the boat. What is the purose of the boat? If its to sail 10 weekends per year and then put on the hard its a different use than living aboard for 15 years.

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Well....when you put it that way perhaps it is penny smart, pound foolish to go the route I was thinking...the smart move is to keep the wifey happy...it all comes around!

This sounding board has convinced me to deinstall the propane stove/oven and associated solenoids from my current boat and retro fit it with a gimballed low pressure alcohol burner. I can offset the cost of install with selling the electric stove from my "new to me" boat to one of my trawler friends....problem solved...

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Does anyone make a CNG system anymore? Seems to have the advantage of cooking like propane, but safer (gas rises).
Propane is preferred because it liquifies under moderate pressure. This greatly reduces the pressure the tank needs to be designed to withstand - usually 200 psi or less (14 atmospheres or less).

CNG stays gaseous, which results in much higher pressures needed to hold a similar quantity of energy in a given volume. Typically 3000+ psi (200+ atmospheres). So the safety you gain in the event of a leak is balanced out by the additional weight and lessened safety against puncture.

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And if you dont use propane what would you use? Buy some firewood?
Well there are other options, and yes wood is one, but only if you are cruising northern climates, I imagine that Brent might use it! You get the advantage of heating the boat as well. But alcohol is a viable option and much less money to install. So if you are cost conscience it is a good option. The Cookmates are quite reasonable, the Origo stove with oven is 1,500 so you are getting into propane territory though I have seen them used for much less and the burners are simple, easy to replace and the only thing that could go wrong. There are still Kerosene stoves available as well and they have there advocates. And At least one diesel stove as well.

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Propane is preferred because it liquifies under moderate pressure. This greatly reduces the pressure the tank needs to be designed to withstand - usually 200 psi or less (14 atmospheres or less).

CNG stays gaseous, which results in much higher pressures needed to hold a similar quantity of energy in a given volume. Typically 3000+ psi (200+ atmospheres). So the safety you gain in the event of a leak is balanced out by the additional weight and lessened safety against puncture.
That is good to know. The tanks are certainly much heavier duty than LPG. Seems as though supply is the real issue as well.
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I'm not propane-phobic. It simply doesn't cause many fires or explosions, as it requires a fairly narrow range of gas-air mix to ignite. Pure propane won't burn, neither will heavily dilluted. Ever have trouble lighting your BBQ?

However, I would never leave a propane bottle in the cabin. A leak will settle in the bilge and then has no where to vent. There are ignition sources and the gas may just wait and wait until that perfect mix is made. No good.

The bottle should be outside. When we're done cooking, we hit the breaker for the solenoid and watch the flame go out before closing the handle. This way we know the solenoid works. We don't always go shut the tank off, as we now know the solenoid is closed and the fail is to remain closed so a hose leak can't fill the boat.

I have zero concern over using the portable tanks outdoors, which is what that oven seems to be designed for. Way too much dillution for it to ever be a real concern.
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One thing to consider before going the alcohol stove route. The alcohol can be difficult to find and it is generally pretty expensive, and worst of all you have to store several of the flimsy (and soon rusty) gallon cans of it somewhere on your boat. My advice is to bite the bullet and install a proper propane system and stove. We installed a Dickinson three burner stove several years ago and highly recommend it.

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All good points...much appreciated. I have taken possession and am underway back to Tampa bay. In looking at the electric unit currently installed, I can easily retro fit the propane Force 10 but the plumbing will be a bit of a run to the aft deck where I plan on installing the locker. I would be interested to see where others have exited the deck on an Out Island 416 to ensure a clean and most direct run.

The list of "to do's" is already growing and she hasn't even spent the first night in her slip!!!

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All good points...much appreciated. I have taken possession and am underway back to Tampa bay. In looking at the electric unit currently installed, I can easily retro fit the propane Force 10 but the plumbing will be a bit of a run to the aft deck where I plan on installing the locker. I would be interested to see where others have exited the deck on an Out Island 416 to ensure a clean and most direct run.

The list of "to do's" is already growing and she hasn't even spent the first night in her slip!!!
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If you decide to go with propane maybe this will help.

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One thing to consider before going the alcohol stove route. The alcohol can be difficult to find and it is generally pretty expensive, and worst of all you have to store several of the flimsy (and soon rusty) gallon cans of it somewhere on your boat.
Is the "hard to find" an international concern? In the US and Canada I've found it at every hardware store and painting store that I've looked in, and those are almost everywhere.

1 gallon of fuel is pretty expensive at $10-$15, but that lasts me about a month of living on the boat and cooking most meals (note that I only have a stove, no oven).

For some reason some marine stores sell the same stuff in a different can for closer to $30. My favorite is Fisheries Supply in Seattle which has the $30 stuff in the galley section, or the $12 stuff (which says right on it "good for marine stoves") in the painting section.

For my needs (a few weeks to a month of coastal cruising per year) I find alcohol stoves to be a great solution. If I were living aboard or cruising for years at a time, and had more room, a propane system would probably be worth it.

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