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Re: U.S.-Bahamas, Crossing the Stream

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The further south you set off for the Bahamas the better.
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DO NOT LEAVE FOR THE ABACOS FROM ANY FURTHER NORTH THAN FORT WORTH.
I know I'm one of few voices in the wilderness, but I would suggest that with a well-found boat and a decent crew, y'all are already WAY too far South.

On a Dufour 45 Norfolk to Marsh Harbour should be just over four days. Easy run. Some delivery skippers (including me) do owner-aboard jumps over. Many owners find that the cost of a ride-along skipper is less expensive than the fuel and other costs to run down the ICW to Florida before hopping across.

If you like the ICW, its many lovely places to stop, and the natural splendors it has to offer than that is great. If you just want to go to the Bahamas there is no need to drone down the waterway to reach your goal.

Someday I'll spend Thanksgiving in St. Marys GA. In the meantime, I'll leave Norfolk or Beaufort after the 1 Nov insurance date and make the Abacos (or Exumas) well before Thanksgiving. Some years I can do it twice. *grin*
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Re: U.S.-Bahamas, Crossing the Stream

I mean the ditch was fun in someways and has its purpose, but I'm after some open water. Seems there is definitely a wrong way to do things, but with proper route planning there are many routes and options. One more day of ICW to Beaufort/ Hilton Head, and if conditions are right its off to Abacos, if not more ICW until the weather is good and a window opens. Under good conditions it sounds fine to cross from anywhere between Cape Hatteras and Miami. Also, checking buoyweather.com, looks like there is a major lull in the Stream almost due East from Hilton Head, while the Stream up FL is much much stronger.
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Re: U.S.-Bahamas, Crossing the Stream

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I know I'm one of few voices in the wilderness, but I would suggest that with a well-found boat and a decent crew, y'all are already WAY too far South.

On a Dufour 45 Norfolk to Marsh Harbour should be just over four days.
Crikey, now I gotta start agreeing with you!



I agree with Auspicious, Norfolk is a good jumping off place.
Last year I did the ICW and it was great becasue I am Australian and it was my touristy thing to do. But once done I dont need to do it again. I was doing about 50 nms per day and often times had to spend nights in marinas to fill the days in with motoring.

Going outside is only 675 nms, about 6 days and once outside the Gulf Stream you can see the current drops off a lot, and there's eddies.
Just plugging away at it will be much quicker than the ICW and much cheaper.

Someone with local knowledge may be able to do the beach hopping thing inside the west wall of the Gulf Stream, but I dont think thats necessary.

the ICW is nice but its loooooong.

A 6 day cruise is over within a week. Great maths eh?!
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Re: U.S.-Bahamas, Crossing the Stream

Where are you entering the Bahamas? The approach from the north is difficult, reefs and sandbanks. The Walkers cay channel is narrow and shallow and local knowledge is critical. . My boat draws 5' 4" and coming in thru Walkers Cay was touch and go...then its shallow all the way down to Sale Cay. You need really good weather...and you don't want to be north of the Bank in the dark. Sailnet people are giving you good advice!
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Re: U.S.-Bahamas, Crossing the Stream

Without some local assistance, it could be a mistake to try entering from the east into Walker's. Don't think I'd try it. The prevailing wind from the east could present a "rage" condition as you arrive.

As far as the Gulf Stream goes, it varies in speed considerably. This has to be figured on a current basis (no pun). It's not always running at 4 knots and only runs max right in the center (which also needs to be checked as to position). On Passage Weather today, for instance, current adjacent to Ft. Pierce is running quite slow:http://www.passageweather.com/maps/f.../rtofs/024.png
so if setting out the actual current needs to be figured and not some rule of thumb about how fast the Stream runs.
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Re: U.S.-Bahamas, Crossing the Stream

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Where are you entering the Bahamas? The approach from the north is difficult, reefs and sandbanks. The Walkers cay channel is narrow and shallow and local knowledge is critical. . My boat draws 5' 4" and coming in thru Walkers Cay was touch and go...then its shallow all the way down to Sale Cay. You need really good weather...and you don't want to be north of the Bank in the dark. Sailnet people are giving you good advice!
I cross the Gulf Stream from Norfolk at 135T head East of the Bahamas and enter the Sea of Abaco through North Man O' War Cut. If weather is bad I stand off or go another day and enter in Nassau. I don't see anything like shallow water until into the inlet. Easy peasy.

Auspicious draws 6' and I've done it on boats to 7' plus.
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Re: U.S.-Bahamas, Crossing the Stream

The OP is a novice. Encouraging him to do things that are better suited for experienced sailors is irresponsible and reckless.
Some people seem to be full of bad advice.
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Re: U.S.-Bahamas, Crossing the Stream

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I cross the Gulf Stream from Norfolk at 135T head East of the Bahamas and enter the Sea of Abaco through North Man O' War Cut. If weather is bad I stand off or go another day and enter in Nassau. I don't see anything like shallow water until into the inlet. Easy peasy.
As he says North Man o War cut is easy peasy. 30 feet deep in the cut and .8 of a NM INSIDE the island before it gets down to 15 feet.
You can ring and ask for conditions on the VHF.
If theres a big swell from the North try North Bar Channel, which is tucked in, and 13nm south.

Certainly not irrisponsable or reckless.


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The OP is a novice. Encouraging him to do things that are better suited for experienced sailors is irresponsible and reckless.
Some people seem to be full of bad advice.
Please note that I earlier suggested anyone with concerns about the offshore hop to the Bahamas take along a delivery skipper or other experienced sailor. The costs can be balanced against the fuel, food, and marina expenses you DON'T incur motoring down the ICW.

I do owner-aboard deliveries regularly. I have colleagues who do the same that I would be happy to refer anyone to if I'm booked or if anyone feels my counsel is self-serving.

Granted I have a warped sense of humor but I enjoy meeting up with people in the Bahamas who I saw in Norfolk or Hampton and have just arrived a month after I did. *grin*
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Re: U.S.-Bahamas, Crossing the Stream

Thanks for the advice guys, much of it is sound. In particular, all advice about weather, and approaches to avoid will be heeded, I don't think there is one right way to do any passage, but there are certainly wrong ways.

The Bahamas is only our first destination around Cuba. From there we are going for Turks-DR-Jamaica-Caymans-Cozumel-Florida. Bahamas as currently planned would be the longest leg, being a 5-6 day passage, while most of the other hops should be 2-3 days of 24 hour cruising.

Also, what may be lost is that I am approaching this trip with a significant amount of flexibility. I certainly intend to make a passage from SC-Bahamas, but if we arrive in Charleston facing 2 weeks of North Wind, I'll be spending that time down the ICW to FL. While I may not be superbly experienced, there is only one way to become an experienced sailor. Proper planning and reasonable precaution will ensure the experience does not come at a great cost. Also, there have been tens of thousands of dollars invested into the boat, including new rigging (lines, checked & cleaned sails), new Raymarine e120 nav. equipment, new high capacity alternator, feathering prop, etc.

Significant planning has been made for this trip, and I feel pretty well prepared, the baot couldn't be more prepared. I wanted to know why my plans were different than most, and if I should reconsider. So far it seems my plans are not out of reach, but I should have serious respect for weather and be prepared to alter plans as need, it seems flexibility would be judicious. As far as I can tell, in the right conditions a passage from SC-Bahamas is feasible and enjoyable, but in the wrong conditions it is miserable and potentially deadly.

Does anyone have a good understanding of the Blake Spur, and what happens with currents around there? Right now, assuming I get a good 4-5 day weather window, the activity around the Spur makes me think the leg has to be due East from Hilton Head above* the Spur, then S/SW to Abacos. Can anyone share insight on the currents/ conditions around the Spur, and whether/why it sound be avoided?

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