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Re: Cruising yachts behaving if they're doing us a favour

Rather than remove these two threads, I'm going to just remove the references to the boat that piclarke has an issue with. There are some good discussions going on that might benefit novices.

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Re: Cruising yachts behaving if they're doing us a favour

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Good. Now we know that you can successfully copy text from your other thread.

And that last part about the kids who died? A sad lesson but unrelated to the boat and crew that you are disparaging.

You know, a better way of going about this would have been to simply state the issue abstractly without pointing fingers at any particular boat and crew like you did in the link to your companion thread.

And all those emoticons in your signature are annoying.

May I respectfully disagree. The part re the to kids refers to skippers responsibility which a poster has stated its the crews responsibility and can be applied to all the responsibilities that are being argued as it was a test case and the authorities are now increasing applying that things in the past where designated an accident and forgiven. Not now more and more there is no accident sympathy and people are held to account by way of charges and prosecution. In the article they complained the life saving equipment had not been serviced, faulty and probably not suitable. The court case clearly demonstrates that providing a life jacket is in itself not sufficient. It must be the correct size for the wearer and the skipper must ensure that it is secure. The coroner found the child was given an oversize life jacket [ not sure how over sized it was ] but the deciding and crucial convicting part / neglect was the child was left to put it on himself and the skipper did not check that it was securely fitted / fastened on the child. He merely glanced and I might say that's what most people would do including skippers in most cases, except mothers I suppose, saw he was wearing the jacket and accepted he had actioned his responsibility, which proved fatal.

So accordingly it is something educational to remember and pass on to fellow friends and members that have not read this thread.


Where does it say in my posts that I have pointed fingers at that particular boat and crew.



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This is one of my hobby horses

It irritates me to read of cruising yachts behaving as if they're doing you a favour by asking you to pay e30, e40, or much more, per day to work / crew on their sailing yachts. Most of them call it "sharing expenses" but in my opinion, at that rate it is taking on working crew for profit.

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then you must have a license. Sharing expenses is just that and nothing more. I have never asked anything of guests and they never ask me when I am their guest. I am having a problem with a lady friend that wants to go all the time, offers to buy lunch, but never has money when it comes time to pay so I pay, but if she sees something she wants and can't get me to buy it money miraculously appears. I did put my foot down and told her from now on she will have to pay expenses up front or she dosent go anymore.
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We have been guests on numerous occasions in various areas, and have had guests aboard on numerous occasions similarly, for as long as a couple of weeks at a time.

Obviously compatibility is numero uno.. and that's something very difficult to quantify ahead of time unless you already know the guests well. Even being family doesn't guarantee a harmonious cruise, does it??

But we find ourselves facing a bit of a double standard.. when we are guests we are happy/anxious to pay our share.. esp if we are being treated to an area we'd never otherwise enjoy. We're happy to pay moorage, food, customs fees, essentially the real costs of their having us aboard over that time. Sometimes we feel we have to 'push' that support but in the end it only seems fair.. especially if they've taken us to areas where they may have not gone had we not joined them..

But on the flip side I'm a bit embarrassed when they return the favour as our guests.. we never ask for anything, but they of course reciprocate, and I believe they're fine with that but I find it a bit uncomfortable. Largely, because rarely does the presence of guests change our plans, or add to expenses beyond food and drink..

In the end we accept it, of course.. and ultimately it works for everyone. But this is all a bit different from saying.. wanna come sailing? only $20/day!

Our arrangements have been between sailors, we've (each party) had our own boats and fully understand the logistics of cruising and upkeep... When dealing with nonsailing guest who would have no idea perhaps it is best to set some kind of support cost(but, I'd say, only if it's beyond a daysail) If we invited a workmate for an afternoon sail I'd certainly not expect them to bring cash.... beer maybe.... but not cash

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Re: Cruising yachts behaving if they're doing us a favour

We charge $50/day per person.

For that you get stale moldy bread, brackish water, at least one whipping per day and constant verbal abuse. You are required to clean the heads twice a day with your toothbrush.

We have a great time, right MS?
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This is one of my hobby horses

It irritates me to read of cruising yachts behaving as if they're doing you a favour by asking you to pay e30, e40, or much more, per day to work / crew on their sailing yachts. Most of them call it "sharing expenses" but in my opinion, at that rate it is taking on working crew for profit.

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If someone really needs a crew to sail his sailboat than money should not be asked but paid.
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Anything associated with the running / berthing of the boat would be the owner's expense whether there were any crew aboard or not. Berthing is charged by the size of the boat, not how many people are on board, fuel costs the same. And wear and tear of the boat? Again, those are the responsibilities of the owner.

Another alternative is to be free on board, free meals when the owner dines ashore, plus drinks, plus drinks at all times ashore when accompany the owner plus paid airfares to and from the vessel which a lot of owners cruising offshore do except kiwis, Australian and a lot other nationalities can't comment, As can be seen by the poll at the moment there is that don't charge or are they non boat owners or affraid to declare they charge the anti posters. Because the poll at the moment there is more that don't charge than those that charge.

But if racing the owner normally would not go racing and a group talks him into racing the boat and they will contribute an amount to race at a agreed set figure per race to him to provide the boat then thats different.




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We charge $50/day per person.

For that you get stale moldy bread, brackish water, at least one whipping per day and constant verbal abuse. You are required to clean the heads twice a day with your toothbrush.

We have a great time, right MS?
for that kind of money there should be at least one keel hauling or plank walking with an anchor....geez....
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We charge $50/day per person.

For that you get stale moldy bread, brackish water, at least one whipping per day and constant verbal abuse. You are required to clean the heads twice a day with your toothbrush.

We have a great time, right MS?
Damn, you are a tough captain and greedy SOB. Our crew only have to pay $45 a day and do the heads once a day.

Back home on Lake Ontario after something over 36,000 nm circumnavigator. Not surprisingly there is a lot of stuff I want to get done on Ainia both cosmetically and functionally. Getting an early start so it will be ready to go for next summer (Lake Superior?).
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