The Ocean is broken? really? - SailNet Community
 35Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 60 Old 10-20-2013 Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 171
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 8
 
The Ocean is broken? really?

I sold my boat a couple years ago and stopped hanging out here but my login still works so I am back with questions about this article (link pasted below)

Are ocean crossers really seeing a profound collapse in fish from just a few years ago? Do you really fire up the engine and just motor when the wind drops off?

I know there are serious problems with oceans worldwide. But this article had a funny smell to it and it got me curious.

The ocean is broken | Newcastle Herald

Thanks for indulging me

Dave Silva

Former owner of S/V Puffin, 1976 Camper Nicholson 31

In over my head?
First Boat, a well-equipped 1977 Camper Nicholson 31
What is all this stuff and how does it work?
hertfordnc is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 60 Old 10-20-2013
Senior Member
 
azguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Scottsdale
Posts: 568
Thanks: 0
Thanked 17 Times in 17 Posts
Rep Power: 4
 
Re: The Ocean is broken? really?

Who knows how much nuke waste leaked from those reactors. I'm sure whatever they said it was just multiple by 100,000
azguy is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #3 of 60 Old 10-20-2013 Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 171
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 8
 
Re: The Ocean is broken? really?

I don't doubt the affects of Fukishima and all the other bad things we do. But i thought the article had a touch of reactionary BS in it and i am checking that here for my own curiousity.

In over my head?
First Boat, a well-equipped 1977 Camper Nicholson 31
What is all this stuff and how does it work?
hertfordnc is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #4 of 60 Old 10-20-2013
Bristol 45.5 - AiniA
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 3,852
Thanks: 5
Thanked 96 Times in 84 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
Re: The Ocean is broken? really?

That was not our experience in crossing the Pacific and Indian Oceans in the Southern Hemisphere. We saw a lot of life and crossing the Indian we caught fish (always Mahi Mahi) whenever we wanted them - and this is not to suggest that overfishing is not a problem. The only places we have seen concentrations of garbage were 50 miles or so off the shores of Panama and Colombia in the Caribbean. There seemed to a line about 200 m wide where sea weed and plastic collect, and on the island of Suwarrow in the Cook Islands where there were hundreds of flip flops. Don't know if these were from a broken container. They appeared very different in terms of the amount of weathering.

Back home on Lake Ontario after something over 36,000 nm circumnavigator. Not surprisingly there is a lot of stuff I want to get done on Ainia both cosmetically and functionally. Getting an early start so it will be ready to go for next summer (Lake Superior?).
killarney_sailor is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #5 of 60 Old 10-20-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 789
Thanks: 3
Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts
Rep Power: 9
 
Re: The Ocean is broken? really?

The oceans may or may not be "broken". Certainly, they've been impacted. But the article is not a scientific treatise by any means. There's plenty of actual data available that you and I, and the author of the article could access.
Siamese is online now  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #6 of 60 Old 10-20-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: 34.25n 119.27w
Posts: 488
Thanks: 1
Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 8
 
Re: The Ocean is broken? really?

The environmental doomsday rhetoric has always been way over the top. I've lost track of how many doomsday deadlines have passed with absolutely no notice. What really annoys me is how there is zero accountability for all the folks that make these false proclamations.
jjablonowski, jzk, ottos and 3 others like this.
SJ34 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to SJ34 For This Useful Post:
Captainmeme (10-21-2013), seafrontiersman (10-20-2013)
post #7 of 60 Old 10-20-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: West Palm Beach, Fla.
Posts: 213
Thanks: 16
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Rep Power: 7
 
Re: The Ocean is broken? really?

I work the sea 200+ days a year and I can tell you that there are lots and lots of fish and sea birds out there. This article sound like typical tree hugging propaganda.
jzk likes this.
seafrontiersman is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #8 of 60 Old 10-20-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Yorktown Hts NY
Posts: 271
Thanks: 4
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 8
 
Re: The Ocean is broken? really?

Right. All that plastic belongs there. Those millions of gallons of crude from DWH had no effect. The Fukashima leak (continues) to have no effect. Everything is fine!!

'79 Camper & Nicholson 303, Blow'd up labor day
Sunfish just fine
Dyer Dow, crushed in Hurricane Sandy
Angler 204 Cuddy-, Crushed in Hurricane Sandy
Yes all true, No wonder no one will go on the water with me.
jppp is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #9 of 60 Old 10-20-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Yorktown Hts NY
Posts: 271
Thanks: 4
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 8
 
Re: The Ocean is broken? really?

Promised my kids Bahamian Blue water while visiting the beach at Boca Grande FL this past summer. What we got was 95 degree pesticide flavored polluted outflow from Lake Okeechobee. As far as the eyes could see up and down the coast. I almost cried. Packed up and left.

'79 Camper & Nicholson 303, Blow'd up labor day
Sunfish just fine
Dyer Dow, crushed in Hurricane Sandy
Angler 204 Cuddy-, Crushed in Hurricane Sandy
Yes all true, No wonder no one will go on the water with me.
jppp is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #10 of 60 Old 10-20-2013
tdw
Super Fuzzy Moderator
 
tdw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Sydney Australia
Posts: 16,482
Thanks: 15
Thanked 103 Times in 97 Posts
Rep Power: 10
     
Re: The Ocean is broken? really?

I've met Ivan. We happened to be sharing the same marina just before he set off from Newcastle NSW to Melbourne Vic for the start of the Melb - Oaska race. The man's bullshite output is remarkably low and if he is worried about what he saw out there then I for one am happy to believe him. He is first and foremost a racing sailor. While I'm sure he'd be happy to be called a greenie he is not an activist by any stretch of the imagination.

As noted in the article Ivan is at pains to acnowledge that a lot of what they were seeing was a result of the Japanese Tsumani, it was not simply about ongoing pollution or as noted by a presumably climate change denier , tree hugger propaganda. Nonetheless denying that the oceans are suffering is head in the sand absduridity of the lowest order.

(Mod hat on for the moment .... sad though it may be, if this thread spends too much time in "tree hugging propaganda" mode it will end up in PRWG.)
chall03 likes this.

Andrew B

“Life is a trick, and you get one chance to learn it.”
― Terry Pratchett, Nation

Malo 39 Classic
tdw is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to tdw For This Useful Post:
chall03 (10-22-2013), mattt (10-21-2013)
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Broken rib help for new sailor Sherwood71 General Discussion (sailing related) 5 04-01-2013 06:08 PM
U.S. Team 'PUMA Ocean Racing' Leaders in the Volvo Ocean Race 2011-2012 NewsReader News Feeds 0 05-04-2012 10:50 PM
Broken shaft....and what else? stiffwind Gear & Maintenance 13 07-07-2010 10:55 PM
URL Parsing Broken? SEMIJim Announcements and Suggestions Box 0 05-06-2008 12:57 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome