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Re: $3000/mo cruising budget

I can't see that the city fathers would allow drunks on the streets after daylight. I mean, pretty damn near every day of every month there are cruise ships unloading 2,000-10,000 of your new best friends into the streets and shops of KW. Day in and day out, damn near every day of every month, as on the official city calendar from this month. (Sorry, the HTML mangles a bit.)

February 2014

Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday

1
Disney Wonder (B) 1130-1800
Nieuw Amsterdam (OM) 0730-1700
2
Constellation (B) 0700-1730

3
Freedom (B) 0730-1600
Riviera (OM) 0800-1700
4
Ecstasy (OM) 0730-1330
Sunshine (B) 1000-1800
5
Grandeur (OM) 0900-1700
6
Majesty (B) 0930-1800 Norwegian Pear (OM) 1200-2000
7
Constellation (B) 0700-1700
8
Eurodam (B) 0800-1700
Maasdam (M) 0900-1700

9
Constellation (B) 0900-1700
10
Serenade (B) 1100-1700
Ryndam (M) 1230-1800
11
12
SS Navigator (M) 0800-1600
13
14
Victory (OM) 0715-1400 Carnival Magic (B) 0930-1700
15
Disney Magic (B) 0830-1700


16
Constellation (B) 0900-1700

17
Ryndam (M) 1230-1800
Freedom (B) 0800-1700

18
Ecstasy (B) 0730-1330
19
Fascination (B) 0700-1500
20
Majesty (B) 0930-1800
21
Constellation (B) 0800-1700
22
Eurodam (B) 0800-1700



Updated 2/13/2014
23
Constellation (B) 0900-1700

24
Serenade(B) 1100-1700
Fascination (OM) 0700-1500
SS Navigator (M) 0800-1600
25
Ecstasy (OM) 0730-1330
Brilliance (B) 1130-1730
26


27
Majesty (B) 0930-1800
28
Victory (B) 0730-0200
Westerdam (OM) 0800-1700

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Re: $3000/mo cruising budget

Re airconditioning on the hook with solar...

When I was a kid fish shops had water flowing down the glass of the front window keeping the interior cool.

Reticulating water via a small pump through a bladder on deck (say the coach roof) might be able to work in a similar way, couldn't it?

Sea water is always cooler in summer than the ambient temperature.

Would only consume 4 amps/hour when the sun is up.

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Re: $3000/mo cruising budget

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Seawater problems, intake pump clogging, salt buildup, but evaporative cooling is still used when AC isn't feasible. You'd probably do better using mist nozzles and getting more evaporation than simply pumping water over the deck, but I think salt is still going to be the big problem.
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Seawater problems, intake pump clogging, salt buildup, but evaporative cooling is still used when AC isn't feasible. You'd probably do better using mist nozzles and getting more evaporation than simply pumping water over the deck, but I think salt is still going to be the big problem.
I am not suggesting pumping water over the deck. I am suggesting pumping it through a bladder.

Salt water misting would just build up salt.

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Bladder? Bladders aren't good conductors. What you want is, after all, a normal "radiator". Thta's old tech too, folks used to run cold water through yards of copper pipe as a cooler, pre-air-conditioning. Again, it works fine with fresh water but your salt water pump may clog, and critters will grow inside whatever (pipe, bladder) you are using for the heat exchanger. Aside from monel pipe being unaffordable these days and copper being almost as pricey...If you drop an intake pipe below the thermocline (10-20 feet typically) and filter the intake water, you should be able to get good cooling, until you have some kind of scaling or clogging. Might even be able to get acceptable results with the cheaper PEX tubing that is used for in-floor heating and cooling as well.

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I can't see that the city fathers would allow drunks on the streets after daylight. I mean, pretty damn near every day of every month there are cruise ships unloading 2,000-10,000 of your new best friends into the streets and shops of KW. Day in and day out, damn near every day of every month, as on the official city calendar from this month. (Sorry, the HTML mangles a bit.)

February 2014

Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday

1
Disney Wonder (B) 1130-1800
Nieuw Amsterdam (OM) 0730-1700
2
Constellation (B) 0700-1730

3
Freedom (B) 0730-1600
Riviera (OM) 0800-1700
4
Ecstasy (OM) 0730-1330
Sunshine (B) 1000-1800
5
Grandeur (OM) 0900-1700
6
Majesty (B) 0930-1800 Norwegian Pear (OM) 1200-2000
7
Constellation (B) 0700-1700
8
Eurodam (B) 0800-1700
Maasdam (M) 0900-1700

9
Constellation (B) 0900-1700
10
Serenade (B) 1100-1700
Ryndam (M) 1230-1800
11
12
SS Navigator (M) 0800-1600
13
14
Victory (OM) 0715-1400 Carnival Magic (B) 0930-1700
15
Disney Magic (B) 0830-1700


16
Constellation (B) 0900-1700

17
Ryndam (M) 1230-1800
Freedom (B) 0800-1700

18
Ecstasy (B) 0730-1330
19
Fascination (B) 0700-1500
20
Majesty (B) 0930-1800
21
Constellation (B) 0800-1700
22
Eurodam (B) 0800-1700



Updated 2/13/2014
23
Constellation (B) 0900-1700

24
Serenade(B) 1100-1700
Fascination (OM) 0700-1500
SS Navigator (M) 0800-1600
25
Ecstasy (OM) 0730-1330
Brilliance (B) 1130-1730
26


27
Majesty (B) 0930-1800
28
Victory (B) 0730-0200
Westerdam (OM) 0800-1700
USATODAY.com - Four Cuban coast guardsmen defect in Key West

I was in Miami when this happened (and, ironically, I was in Cuba myself a week later). The really humorous part of this story is how far they had to walk before they even found a police officer. Now it was early in the morning. But, I always use this story to point out how laid back Key West is. Four Cubans, in Cuban military uniforms, one with a pistol on, who dock a patrol boat flying Cuban flags, can walk all over town, and they have to initiate contact with the police.

If that doesn't tell the story of what it takes to get in trouble in Key West, I don't know what does.
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Remember in 82 they declared independence from America as the conch republic the USCG was involved and the us government backed down I don't know if they ever officially rejoined the USA you can still get a conch republic passport and it is actually accepted by some central american countries that don't like america a year or so ago someone posted on here in the piracy threads that they were left alone because they had those commemerative passports showing they were not Americans.

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This thread is sort of inching towards a point I wanted to make;

Rather than ask " How much does it cost to cruise?" Ask-

What does $3000/ month look like where I want to go? What does this budget get me?

Then a local or someone with experience could fill you in. For instance, where I am on the Hudson we get a lot of cruising boats, almost all of them well off middle class to super rich.

For $3000/month in the summer you could stay in a marina with showers, a pool, restaurant --a true full service country club with picnic tables... ect..plus you could eat out twice a week, and take the train into NYC once or twice a month for sight seeing and have money left over for beer. You would find friendly people barbecuing and drinking in the evenings and bands playing. And a laundry right there for you. You could sail in the "bays" which are the wider parts of the river, about 1-2 miles across. There are usually racing clubs you could probably crew with. You could rent a car to get up into the mountains to hike or just see the countryside and shop for cheap food and supplies. There are lots of farm stands . But you'd spend every penny of that $3k doing it.

For $500 a month, you'd probably be anchored on the river some place you could hitch hike or walk down the railroad tracks to a convenience store to get overpriced groceries and maybe a case of cheap beer. Some locals might look upon you suspiciously if you anchor too often in front of their property. In my younger days we'd anchor anywhere and I remember one little wooded beach where a homeowner had his German Sheppard chase us off. If you come ashore in one of those odd places you had better be smiling and cheerful and try to make friends. People are shallow so it would really help if you looked good in a bikini. And because you anchored out a lot, the 57 varieties of local cops plus the CG would all get to know you - one at a time, one way or another. If you were legal, most of them would be polite about it. The jokes about how your boat smelled or how you flushed your toilet would influence how you were treated. Laundry would be sketchy. Its possible at a few marinas to base your dingy cheaply and moor the boat but that might cost you more than you can afford.

Did I paint you two different pictures of the same place? Which one feels like your thing?
So with your $3000/month budget on your C22... that should go a long way right? It's good you stay on this thread rather than the $500/month thread since on your small yacht you'll be welcomed anywhere you go... right?

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The Cuban defection was in early 2003, more than a decade ago. Doesn't say much about conditions today. Let's put it in perspective, KW hasn't been a big cruise ship destination for all that long, either.

Of course, they could have been CIA sleeper agents returning home to the US, too. (VBG)
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The Cuban defection was in early 2003, more than a decade ago. Doesn't say much about conditions today. Let's put it in perspective, KW hasn't been a big cruise ship destination for all that long, either.

Of course, they could have been CIA sleeper agents returning home to the US, too. (VBG)
How many times have you actually been to Key West?

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