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Re: $3000/mo cruising budget

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Thanks Killarney. Please correct my facts and assumptions in this calculation: A 45 foot boat with crew of two on a 3 year circumnavigation averaged about $1,800 a month.

$1,800/45 ft. = $40 per foot per year. $40/365 days = $1.33 per day per foot for a crew of 2. I am assuming this includes food costs which doesn't change with the size of the boat but that should be easy enough to extrapolate. So for example, my wife and I am planning a 3 month cruse up the east coast of the US in a 35 foot sailboat:

90 days X 35 feet X $1.33 = $4,189 add a little more for food & fun and toss the dock lines.
Ah, the quest for the ultimate answer... I think there are many more variables that you need to consider before you can come up with an equation that can be widely applied (lifestyle, cruising location, weather, entertainment needs, diet, boat age, and probably a bunch more). But I get where you're going.

One immediate problem I see with your equation is that it assumes a linear relationship of costs to boat length. Everything I've read (and experienced to a lesser degree) suggests the costs rise exponentially with increased boat length. What that exponent is will be debatable, but if this is true, your equation requires an exponential factor.
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BWS did an article about satphones this month. My only experience to date is with Globalstar used briefly for gribs. Wonder if anyone has real time experience of the three main players and true expense over a year of snow birding on east coast. Also any recommendations would be appreciated. Tx.
I have an Iridium. The biggest cost is, of course, buying the phone. I paid around $1300 for mine in 2010. The airtime costs are $1.50 a minute and I paid for $500 worth to start. I still haven't used all of that (I got the rollover minutes plan).

But, I didn't use mine to get on the internet every day, or chat for hours. Mine was just to check in with family, and for safety (if I sunk and was floating in the ocean some where, I thought it would be nice to start calling people who owed me favors and telling them to come get my ass).
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Re: $3000/mo cruising budget

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Thanks Killarney. Please correct my facts and assumptions in this calculation: A 45 foot boat with crew of two on a 3 year circumnavigation averaged about $1,800 a month.

$1,800/45 ft. = $40 per foot per year. $40/365 days = $1.33 per day per foot for a crew of 2. I am assuming this includes food costs which doesn't change with the size of the boat but that should be easy enough to extrapolate. So for example, my wife and I am planning a 3 month cruse up the east coast of the US in a 35 foot sailboat:

90 days X 35 feet X $1.33 = $4,189 add a little more for food & fun and toss the dock lines.

I am sure this idea can be refined with more information, but this is based on actual and recent costs covering all circumstances for an extended period of time. It will be interesting and helpful to know what costs will be necessary to get the boat ready for another 3 year circumnavigation (not implying you are planning such an event). It would also be helpful to know what percentage of the $1,800 per month figure was consumed by the boat and what percent by governmental requirements.
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Re: $3000/mo cruising budget

I think the only 'linear w/ boat length' factor is moorage rates - and even that, in some places, may not hold true.
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Re: $3000/mo cruising budget

Oh well, it was a fun exercise anyway. I'll plan $2,000 per month cash flow anyway.
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Re: $3000/mo cruising budget

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Thanks Killarney. Please correct my facts and assumptions in this calculation: A 45 foot boat with crew of two on a 3 year circumnavigation averaged about $1,800 a month.

$1,800/45 ft. = $40 per foot per year. $40/365 days = $1.33 per day per foot for a crew of 2. I am assuming this includes food costs which doesn't change with the size of the boat but that should be easy enough to extrapolate. So for example, my wife and I am planning a 3 month cruse up the east coast of the US in a 35 foot sailboat:

90 days X 35 feet X $1.33 = $4,189 add a little more for food & fun and toss the dock lines.

I am sure this idea can be refined with more information, but this is based on actual and recent costs covering all circumstances for an extended period of time. It will be interesting and helpful to know what costs will be necessary to get the boat ready for another 3 year circumnavigation (not implying you are planning such an event). It would also be helpful to know what percentage of the $1,800 per month figure was consumed by the boat and what percent by governmental requirements.
I think your assumptions are just way out of line in many respects. Just a couple of examples.
  • There are 'economies of scale' involved so it is cheaper to plan for say 36 months than for 3 months. Lets say you need new sails for either cruise. The monthly cost is much lower for a longer cruise.
  • If you are cruising for 3 months on the US coast the monthly cost will be pretty much constant. You will have some marina costs, access to restaurants pretty much everywhere, predictable US booze costs etc. When you are doing a world cruise there is more wear and tear on the boat (paid for in chunks when you get somewhere with an infrastructure or where you can buy parts or jugs of oil. On the other hand there are times when you are not spending much at all. From South Africa to Grenada (basically two months, you might have spent $400 in total, not including our boat insurance)

Not sure what you mean by governmental requirements? Is this just entry/exit costs? Varies wildly from place to place. In Panama (not including the canal costs) it was $700+. In Martinique it was free.

As for what we need to spend after 30,000 miles, right now I can think of:
  • new main and #2 - $7000ish
  • bottom paint (last done in Australia), the cost of the paint, sandpaper
  • finding and fixing minor leaks in a couple of water tanks - lots of work to get at them, but little cost
  • several minor fixes - probably $1000, e.g. bearing kit for the Monitor ($150)

There are other things we will likely do, like rechroming winches but that is more because the boat is over 30 years old. Also, deciding what to do with all the teak on deck.
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Re: $3000/mo cruising budget

Wow, refit costs are much less than I would have thought. That is encouraging. I have always thought sails and running rigging were only good for about 5 years of constant use and standing rigging was ready for replacement every 10 years of constant use.
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Re: $3000/mo cruising budget

many boats still have useable original or second set sails that are 20, even 30 years old...I have yet to buy a NEW sail for any of the 8 or so boats I have had yet...of those 8 I have done serious cruising on 3....all with old perfectly useable sails

Only on 1 of those boats did I do a complete new re rerig...only standing rig btw, on those other boats just a new halyard or sheet here and there...
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Re: $3000/mo cruising budget

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I think your assumptions are just way out of line in many respects. Just a couple of examples.
  • There are 'economies of scale' involved so it is cheaper to plan for say 36 months than for 3 months. Lets say you need new sails for either cruise. The monthly cost is much lower for a longer cruise.
  • If you are cruising for 3 months on the US coast the monthly cost will be pretty much constant. You will have some marina costs, access to restaurants pretty much everywhere, predictable US booze costs etc. When you are doing a world cruise there is more wear and tear on the boat (paid for in chunks when you get somewhere with an infrastructure or where you can buy parts or jugs of oil. On the other hand there are times when you are not spending much at all. From South Africa to Grenada (basically two months, you might have spent $400 in total, not including our boat insurance)

Not sure what you mean by governmental requirements? Is this just entry/exit costs? Varies wildly from place to place. In Panama (not including the canal costs) it was $700+. In Martinique it was free.

As for what we need to spend after 30,000 miles, right now I can think of:
  • new main and #2 - $7000ish
  • bottom paint (last done in Australia), the cost of the paint, sandpaper
  • finding and fixing minor leaks in a couple of water tanks - lots of work to get at them, but little cost
  • several minor fixes - probably $1000, e.g. bearing kit for the Monitor ($150)

There are other things we will likely do, like rechroming winches but that is more because the boat is over 30 years old. Also, deciding what to do with all the teak on deck.
killarney when were you in panama this time around?

its $700 now for a us flagged vessel? how many months till renew time?

man has stuff changed in 10 years
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But, I didn't use mine to get on the internet every day, or chat for hours. Mine was just to check in with family, and for safety (if I sunk and was floating in the ocean some where, I thought it would be nice to start calling people who owed me favors and telling them to come get my ass).
Just make sure you're not calling someone who owes you a lot of money. "Who is this??? I can't hear you!! Who??? Say what????"
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