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Generally, shotguns are the least regulated of the firearms, as they are difficult to conceal and have a relatively short range. Hand guns tend to have the most restrictions, being relatively easy to conceal. Hunting rifles are somewhere in-between, not being as concealable as handguns, but have far longer range than shotguns.
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Shack...try the SSCA.org bulletin board as there is an extensive firearms discussion running there now with a lot of experienced people chiming in.
My own view for INTERNATIONAL sailing is don't bring 'em as it is a major hassle (no objection to shooting bad folks) and chances are you'll be out gunned anyway. Best advice is to pay attention to the safety & security net and stay out of the dangerous places!
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Michael, I can't see any reason NOT to add one if you can do so in the design stage, a concealed and physically secure storage area might pay for itself at some point in the future.

But back in the "zero tolerance and we'll tear your boat apart to prive it" days around 1990, the USCG did make an official statement along the lines that any vessel having any "hidden places" or compartments on it would be considered to be a smuggler and treated as such...or words to that effect. At that time they said in no uncertain terms that if you added such a compartment, you had to notify the USCG formally of it. Sounds crazy, yes, but that's where they were at back then.

You might want to correspond with the Commandant's Office in writing to make sure that you can legally install the hidden compartment these days, unless you want to risk their wrath.
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Thanks. If it's legal, I think I'm going to do it.
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Safe..... Are you Kidding?

Hell you don't need to put a safe in your boat. I can lose stuff on a 20 footer and never find it. I never left left the saloon on the aformentioned 20 footer, set a blade for a fan down, took the old fan off the bulkhead, turned to get the new fan blade and it was gone. I tore the boat apart looking for it. This is not the first time I have lost stuff on boats.
I owned a Morgan 41 for 3 years and found a dinghy, that I didn't know came with the boat.
Thinking about it some more, a safe might be a good idea afterall. If you can remember where it is.
How one can lose something in such a small space is beyond me.

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Capn Dave . . . uh . . . you getting old?

Comrad - I couldn't agree more. I think I poked in to SSCA on this topic a while back as well. Think the recommendations I saw for safety were to avoid attracting attention of bad guys to begin with such as . . .

1) travel in packs around questionable areas as bad guys less willing to prey on groups.

2) Consider the need to have running lights on at night when in questionable areas (creates some obvious problems).

3) Set a watch rotation if able. Use cheap NVDs (available on open market) to avoid nav problems at night and observe others w/o lights on.

Addtionally, . . .
If boarded by such "Non-Government Officials" you're done, and you could only improve an inevitable outcome by playing to the pshycologies of least resistance. Chances are that if they get some loot with ease - they won't have to waste ammo or clean their weapons afterward. in any way its really out of your hands by that time. Once someone has the advantage - you're along for the ride. Regardless of whether you have a pee shooter or not.

Me personnally . . . I am of the mind that I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by six. I do subscribe to the "be a hard target" not easy prey philosophy of avoiding probelms. That would involve avoiding questionable waters anywhere, using some of the recommendations above, but I'd try to legally arm myself with something respectable when able.

It all too bad that the USCG is admitedly not able to provide for one's security in this regard, and at the same time it has been legislated that we cannot either.

Such is socialism!

I'll do some digging around on this one some more and see what I get.
Still looking for some good sea stories, though!!!!!!
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So, what WOULD a 12 ga. flare fired from a pistol-style launcher do to a chest and face at 10 ft? Or fired down into an invading dinghy/inflatable/canoe etc.?

One of my relatives used to take a knife and cut or score a groove all the way around the plastic casing on a shotgun shell with bird shot in it, to the point where he claimed it all came out in a single mass instead of spreading. He said he had killed a deer at close range with it, but I wasnt there to witness that.
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One the good news front, the US Navy has decided that pirates are a menace and if they are around and hear an SOS-related to piracy, will now intervene, as they have been doing down in the Red Sea area. Nothing like a naval destroyer and a couple of F15 Tomcats to put the fear of God into pirates.
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"It all too bad that the USCG is admitedly not able to provide for one's security in this regard, and at the same time it has been legislated that we cannot either." The key words are COAST GUARD, their job is to guard our coast. And not the world. The rest of the world, is (as sailingdog points out) what the Navy gets paid for, and in fact the reason the USN was created--to stop the Barbary Pirates in the Trucial States.

Canibul, there's all sorts of ways to futz around with munitions, but if your uncle wanted a deer slug, he could have just bought one. There's nothing like the sound of large caliber weapons to make a bad guy rethink whether he really has someplace else he needs to be.
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Sail Dog -
I doubt that you will find anything about protecting individuals from pirates in the Department of the Navy or the US Navy mission statements. However, I'll give you credit for "enforcing freedom of navigation".

Barabry pirates were screwing with $$$$$$ trade. So Jefferson built up a Navy because the years of tribute he was paying to Triploi got too expensive (politics). I find it hard to believe that he did it out of a sense of individual chivarly. But, If you want the Navy to help you - lets hope Admiral Brisbane isn't coming "to assist."

Anyway, you will NEVER see a "Navy F-15 Tomcat" (as you put it) coming to the aid of anyone because . . .

1) You'd have to be near an aircraft carrier (they're a little bit busy now launching sorties into the middle east.
2) No pilot is gonna launch missile at any civilian boat unless intel confirms that Bin Ladden is aboard.
3) F-15 Tomcats don't exist. You can choose from F-15 Eagles or F-14 Tomcats.
4) If you pick Eagles - the pirates got you because those are USAF birds and they won't help anyone without eight months of paperwork . . . ahead of time.
5) If you pick Tomcats - the pirates got you again because the Navy does not use them anymore.

You may be better off using those shotgun shells that Canibul was talking about.

No hard feelings . . . I just saw juicy chance for a friendly ribbing and I took it!! I owe you beer for having fun at your expense!!

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