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Jen
There are any number of ''ocean races''
that can be done whether you are a racer or a cruiser. I have a cruising sailboat
(C&C Landfall 48) that causes IMS certifiers togiggle when measuring. Still
have done the Newport Bermuda race and Marion Bermuda race a couple times each.
The marion-Bermuda race - from Marion
Mass (Buzzards Bay) is an ocean race specifically for cruisers.
Another advantage of doing an ocean race for the experience is the safety - or at least the sense of safety. There are a 100 other boats out there close enough to assist in an emergency. Plus the coast guards on both ends are on the look out as well.
Regardless of hull shape doing an ocean
crossing in this way is worth the experience.
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On the other hand, when you are ready to choose the boat for long term cruising, the more sea kindly, traditional hullshape and displacement makes a lot of sense.
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It sounds like you have a great plan - my suggestion is that you evaluate the different methods (the spartan Larry Pardey style as opposed to the megaboat style of the Deerfoot boats), talk with as many people WHO HAVE BEEN THERE (try not to pay too much attention to those who are armchair sailors), and try to match the best parts of all of these to your lifestyle. For example, there are peole who are happy doing a passage on one pint of fresh water per person - I wouldn''t dream of cruising without a watermaker and a fresh water shower every day. Neither is right, it is just what works for them. I have shared an anchorage with a Catalina 22 that used a boom for a mast (and no boom), the crew living on rice and beans. The same anchorage had $1M megaboats with electric everything. We all watched the same sunsets, and took turns playing guitars on the beach together. I wish you luck in finding your own way. And when you think about quitting, both before and during your cruise, just remember Winston Churchill''s parting words to the graduating class at Oxford, "Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER GIVE UP!"
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Chris & the group:

A couple of observations...
1. There''s no ''right'' answer to the ''buy boat sooner'' vs. ''later'' choice, as each has its advantages. Buying it sooner allows you to modify/refurb it to your needs (and learn far more about the boat than otherwise would be possible) but while making decisions about gear that you''re only guessing at due to lack of experience. Buying it later makes a certain financial sense, as you have less overhead in the interim. Also, buying it later but with a budget that requires a relatively quick getaway will force you to ''buy'' more help in readying the boat - more costly AND you''ll lose on the learning curve. A 3rd option is to downsize sooner (from the house), locking in the capital it can produce, get the boat and enjoy the freedom to tear into the boat without living on it.
2. It is so, so common these days, the economy having been so good for so many people (aka: would-be cruisers short on experience) to see folks quickly buy a LOT of boat. Cruising boats today tend to be big, relatively expensive, relatively complex, and represent a sizeable investment (thereby making insurance mandatory, which may in turn dictate where you may not take the boat). While a bigger/more complex boat is not necessarily a bad one, is it right for you? With any budget that places a relatively short & finite end on your cruising plans (2 yrs is SHORT in cruising terms!) and requires you to continue working down the pike, is it really wise for you to start with the bigger/more complex boat? I think there''s a lot of value in choosing as ''small'' a boat as you need and keeping it basic until...
3. You get more experience. I''d highly recommend the Baja Ha-Ha for you, as it''s common for boats to take extra crew, there''s a mechanism in place for getting selected as crew, the educational element is there, it''s offshore but in small bites, and you can seek participation multiple years on differing boats, each time increasing your learning. See Latitude 38 - BTW, perhaps the BEST reference for you, given your lack of experience & also your goals - for more details. Free at every WM store...
4. How about readjusting your goals by adding an interim step? Get the boat at whatever point you think makes sense for you, don''t quit your job, and make a short-term voyage before deciding what the boat needs & before burning employment or perhaps residential bridges behind you. This is so easy to do from the Bay Area, e.g. by planning a summer cruise down to San Diego via the Channel Islands (REAL offshore sailing & anchoring), and coastal hopping back north. An even better trial run is to make your own cruise to Mexico and back (the Ha-Ha runs too late in the year to return to SF). If the leave of absence can''t be obtained in the right amount, consider trucking the boat back (many do) after cruising with fair winds south. Only THEN are you sure the boat''s right for you & the crew, and only then can you probably decide on what it lacks and what you ''need'' vs. would like to have.
5. Also, don''t overlook local crewing options, which are bountiful on the Bay, for both you & your wife. You''ll learn a lot about sail handling & sailing, and if you can''t find time to do this for one full season, it''s fair to ask yourself how serious you are about the bigger goals.
6. Avoid general advice (e.g. like you hear on message boards) but focus on ones specific to your goals. E.g., whether a watermaker is ''essential gear'' or not depends on lots of variables (until you head for the SoPac, I''d label it as a ''nice to have''; once in the SoPac, it becomes ''essential). Re: supplental power sources, solar is great in Mexico, but wind generation better in the SoPac & Caribbean. Everyone''s got opiinions to share (me included); sift thoughtfully thru what you hear with your own goals clearly in mind. Also, don''t forget that it''s only when you truly begin cruising that some needs will surface, and you can meet them in many places in the world. Put another way, not ALL the boat gear needs to be installed upfront, saving you money & time when just getting away from the dock is so expensive & difficult!

Good luck; yours are great goals, tough to achieve but with ample rewards.

Jack Tyler
Visiting Pensacola, but normally aboard WHOOSH, currently lying Port of Spain, Trinidad
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I was wondering about the best time to sail across the Atlantic to Europe. I am going with a friend who has sailed extensively in the pacific i.e. central and south America. He is Czech. He doesn''t read english and wanted to find out about the currents and best time for an Atlantic crossing from the canal. Thank you very much. please email me if you can : rweygint@hotmail.com
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Chris,

If you''d like to get some professional instruction and an opportunity to sail offshore with your instructors, take a look at http://www.sailingschool.com . I''ve taken several courses with these folks - they know what they''re doing, their boat is well found and you''ll meet people of a like mind from all over. One couple I met are from Redding, CA and they''re already on year one of their five year plan. You will learn practical skills that are a must for cruisers like radar and collision avoidance, navigation using paper charts, computer charts and even a sextant. Good luck and good sailing!

--Mike
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One suggestion. Don''t sell the house until you and your intended have lived aboard the boat for a while.

I just bought my retirement home, a Columbia 36. I am having some work done and the bottom painted and the yard has promised third week in june. I am gong to bring it back to Baltimore, and spend weeks aboard.

Not this fall, but next fall I plan to try the ICW. Eventually, I will be trying the trip to the Bahamas, and so on. Depends on how much confidence I develop. But no hurry. If I like it, I continue. If not, I come back home to Baltimore, where I still have a house. I am not burning any bridges.

I have sailed a bit in 22'' sailboats on the Chesapeake Bay. I have not sailed a 36-footer. There is a difference. This summer I will find out how much.

Cam Whetstone
cam@columbia36.com
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Just do it! I''m not saying get on a boat you''ve never sailed before and get underway for Tahiti. On the other hand theres nothing more depressing than spending years trying to prep a boat "absolutely perfectly" for a voyage you may not even enjoy. I''ve seen to many folks rotting in port after years of preparation.
Get a good boat. Don''t pay to much. Sell the house, what''s going to happen? You won''t be able to find another one if you decide not to sail around the world? Of course not. Make sure the boat isn''t going to sink, catch on fire or lose the rig over the side on the first couple of sails. Then sail the hell out of it. Plan short reasonable voyages. Daysails at first, then overnighters, learn your boat. Learn yourselves. The boat will get prepared as a matter of course.
Most importantly you''ll mantain your enthusiasiam and momemtum by sailing all the time.

My experience that allows me to offer such great insights??
Thirty thousand offshore miles or so...I bought my first cruising boat at twenty years old, it was great to live on but a terrible boat to cruise in. I''m now thirty, have an Alden 52 that was designed and built to sail the world, am selling the house this month or next and going sailing.

If you''re afraid to sell your house and you still plan on going sailing offshore, you might want to rethink the whole thing. There are millions of houses but you only have one life to live.
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Is this for real or I''m going nuts? I''m also 47 years old; recently divorced, sudently this idea of sailing the world just struck me. Please let me know that I''m not going crazy or just trying to scape reality, but I''ve found this situation very appropiate for breaking free from this competed world.
Maybe it is the opportunity for starting that great 5 year plan you are talking about. I dream of this all time, even when I''m working or visiting customers, I talk to them about this but they don''t seem to understand what I exactly mean (Living all the possesions behind)

Tell me it is not impossible to acomplish.

Bayoan
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Hey Bayoan! Your just hanging out with the wrong crowd! Get some sailing friends. There are lots that do live the dream and we''re not running away from anything.
It''s totally possible and a great idea for anyone looking for a life differant than the one so many of us live in the city. ( At least until everyone in the city learns our little secret and spoils all the fun. But most of them don''t have the nerve.)
You don''t need to be a millionaire or have sailedd since birth. You just need a lot of desire and and a little determination. There''s lots to learn but take it slow and carefully and it will all come easy.
See you out there!
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