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Wife's below fixing lunch, Otto's at the helm.
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Possibly the USCG tow rope was a proper hawser and simply too thick to be secured to the cleats on the boat.

I've been taught to run a tow rope aft to the mast and secure it around the mast itself if there is no suitable strong point on the bow, but I can see that might not be feasible either, given the sea conditions and the amount of motion it would swing through.

I'd hate to be the PO, explaining why I threw away the recall notice instead of replacing the rudder.
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I'd hate to be the PO, explaining why I threw away the recall notice instead of replacing the rudder.
This topic is now on 3 different threads, but I don't think there was any kind of recall.

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thanx sailhog . . . taken while singlehanding to Block Island last summer. Wife's below fixing lunch, Otto's at the helm (Otto's my autopilot).
C'mon TB - singlehanding means having to make your OWN lunch too!!
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"The rudder breakage on a (since discontinued) composite rudder post was a KNOWN problem to Hunter and they issued a bulletin to owners on the subject in 2005 after 16 reports of failure. "
My foolish assumption, that if rudders were known to break off, a manufacturer would have issued a recall of some kind rather than, what? just sending out postcard saying "Keep an eye on your rudder" ?

AFAIK there is a strict product liability under the Uniform Commercial Code, Magnusson-Moss Act, and other statutes for hidden defects that would pretty much make the builder responsible for coming out and replacing the rudders. (Which is not to say some vendors wouldn't try to ignore that cost.)

Dunno, not my department.
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That's not a cleat. It's a friggin' bollard!
Yep. I have six of them. If they ever give, I'll have bigger problems than a five-inch hole in the deck.

My boat is about as far from a Hunter 45 as you can get, and I suppose we've "sacrificed" good looks, style, some speed (not as much as you'd think, however) and some amenities to go to sea in her. But when I hear stories like this, I think that the sacrifice is on the other human, so to speak.
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but if I ever have to be towed in rough conditions, I think I would use my rock climbing background to try to rig a load equalizing, 3 point harness to spread the load over both bow cleats and the base of the mast. Hopefully, such a bridle tied into a long enough tow line would spread the shock
Your instincts are good. It's the whole idea behind snubbers and other shock-deflection tactics...not to create an overwhelming "point load" that will cause the actual fabric of the boat to fail.
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"The rudder breakage on a (since discontinued) composite rudder post was a KNOWN problem to Hunter and they issued a bulletin to owners on the subject in 2005 after 16 reports of failure. "
My foolish assumption, that if rudders were known to break off, a manufacturer would have issued a recall of some kind rather than, what? just sending out postcard saying "Keep an eye on your rudder" ?

AFAIK there is a strict product liability under the Uniform Commercial Code, Magnusson-Moss Act, and other statutes for hidden defects that would pretty much make the builder responsible for coming out and replacing the rudders. (Which is not to say some vendors wouldn't try to ignore that cost.)

I almost forgot. Hunter said that rudders are designed to protect the bottom of boats. (All this time I thought they were for steering.)

Dunno, not my department.
Link to Hunter site that discusses this: (Thanks Cam-)
http://www.huntermarine.com/Images/P...2005TuneUp.pdf
Hunter doesn't warrant the rudders of their boats. Of the 16 boats that lost rudders they were able to look at 13 of them. 11 met their design/manufacturing standards. (maybe not high enough) 1 met design tolerances, but not their in-house tolereances. (bad quality control). 1 "may" have had a defect. (again, bad quality control)

Hunters solution: The captain should learn to sail w/o a rudder, and they have made a ss rudder post they would be happy to sell you at a "reduced" cost.

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Yep. I have six of them. If they ever give, I'll have bigger problems than a five-inch hole in the deck.

My boat is about as far from a Hunter 45 as you can get, and I suppose we've "sacrificed" good looks, style, some speed (not as much as you'd think, however) and some amenities to go to sea in her. But when I hear stories like this, I think that the sacrifice is on the other human, so to speak.
Right on, Valiente! Though a steel boat does not suit us or our normal sailing venues and habits, some years ago I did a down coast trip to California on a Colvin Schooner in steel - not fast, but when the weather hit we had tremendous faith in the structural integrity of the vessel and fittings. One worry down.
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