Proper ground tackle for long island sound and new england

[sailingdog]

I'd avoid the Bulwagga...even though by all accounts it is a very solid anchor. If you haven't seen the design... it is a nightmare to stow... it has three large flukes set 120˚ apart from each other... and the stock connects to the middle of the three flukes... so it looks a bit like a three-pointed star. Doesn't sit on a bow roller well, and takes up much more space than the Spade, WASI, Rocna or Buegel do.

The XYZ is almost as bad IMHO, since it has as extremely oversized fluke, which is shaped like a delta kite.

[Craig Smith]

Originally Posted by Cruisingdad

Craig, What is the cost of one of your anchors for a 22-24k boat (40-42 feet)?

We'd size a 20 (44lb) or 25 (55lb) for your boat. Refer to "where to buy" on our website for pricing & availability.

[Cruisingdad]

Rocna: ~$650 US. Delta SPade (the only other anchor worth considering): ~450. That is not a significant price difference. If the Rocna was better, I would give it definite consideration. However, I have never had my spade drag. I use all chain and have been through VERY strong storms. My daily scope is 5:1, typical night about 8:1. POssible storm or if I have the room, 10:1 or more.

I honestly do not think anyone would be unhappy with a spade. I have no experience with Rocna, but have heard good things. Ground tackle is one of your most important investments, don't skimp... but that does not mean the most expensive is the best.

- CD

[sailingdog]

What is really worrying are the boaters who don't seem to think good ground tackle is all that necessary...they'll blow money on a new chartplotter but not on a good anchor and rode. All chain helps, and I'd use it if my boat could stand the weight....it can't so I don't.

[Cruisingdad]

Sd,

Sell your boat and buy a catalina. The weight of the chain will be offset by the very large solar array in the back!!!

- CD

[sailingdog]

CD-

No thanks, I prefer to sail...

[jasonr575]

The rocna and manson supreme seem to look like the same but the manson is more economical, is there any difference between them?

[Sialia]

You mentioned that you do not have a windlass. I singlehanded a Tartan 41 without a windlass for a couple of years and the only anchor I used was a Fortress FX37 ( I had 3 other anchors with a lot more chain on board for storms). I used 40 feet of 3/8 inch chain and 300 feet of 3/4 inch nylon rode. A recent study, posted on Sailnet by one of the members, showed the Fortress to be one of the better anchors available. And without a windlass, it is easy to bring back on board. I loved this combination and I still do - it's a great ground tackle set-up.

[Maine Sail]

Originally Posted by jasonr575

The rocna and manson supreme seem to look like the same but the manson is more economical, is there any difference between them?

yes there is a difference. the construction quality of the Rocna is far higher and the performance in numerous tests shows the Rocna as a slightly better performer.

I actually own a Manson Supreme and I just ordered a Rocna. I'm not saying the Manson is a poor anchor but there were enough differences that I ponied up and bought the real McCoy. I can't wait till it arives to test it out! For me I think an anchor is cheap insurance and want the best anchor money can buy. Through my thorough testing of all my anchors so far the Rocna design concept has been best!

Here's a link to a home made video I made one day while I was waiting for sailing season. It shows a Manson setting inless than four feet even when reversed to pull direction in a very, very hard packed intertidal zone. My guess is the Rocna sets in two feet....

DropShots Day

[Craig Smith]

Originally Posted by jasonr575

The rocna and manson supreme seem to look like the same but the manson is more economical, is there any difference between them?

Manson build copies - they do CQR, Bruce, etc. Copies typically have to be cheaper in order to compete; it is their sole point of distinction. Unfortunately this usually necessitates construction short-cuts and other compromises. As you might expect we don't think much of this. Take a look at this page about the Manson Supreme anchor.