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There is no apples to apples comparison available. I've been looking for several years.

Trawlers can be broken down into two groups; semi displacement hulls and full displacement hulls. The semi hull is grand banks or marine trader and the full hulls are the krogens & nordhavns. The full disp hull will get double the economy of the semi BUT you'll have a much more lively roll in beam seas. The full can be taken offshore more readily. The semi is more stable in coastal waters and hence generally more comfortable. So, in a 36' to 42' trawler you are looking at 2mpg for the semi & 4mpg for the full. A 42' to 46' sailboat will get around 6mpg motoring and with the ballast, won't roll nearly as much as a full disp trawler. Smaller sailboats (mid 30's) can do much better, up to 12mpg.
Now to sails...if you reef early or just motor upwind and in strong winds, your sails will last a long time. If you work your sails hard they won't. How hard is hard? That's the toughest part to analyze and I haven't found any good measure of "mpg" for a set of sails & rigging. Anybody have some numbers for miles sailed in a coastal cruiser and an offshore cruiser?
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Typo: The full displacements get better fuel mileage. The semis get worse. THe semi is faster, and more stable to a point, depending on whether soft chimed, etc. Also, most people put stabilizers (passive or active) on their full displacement to stop the roll - or reduce it.

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Here is another Nord rigged with sails... (kinda funky looking)...


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BTW, XOrt, here is another very kool boat to add to your semi-disp... I actually put an offer down on one of these... Nice boats, a little unknown...

http://www.albinboat.com/

Albin 43 (sundeck). The sundeck adds a huge amount of space to these puppies.

Take a look and let me know what you think!!

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I think that you need to like the actual sailing to enjoy a sailboat. It is definitely cheaper to buy and run a sailboat, but there is a lot more work involved in sailing than in powering.

Me - I could care less where I end up as long as there is somewhere to buy food and beer - it's the getting there that makes me do it.

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Depends what kind of sailor you are too. When I first started sailing I could never figure out how other sailboats could go so much faster than I was going with the same basic sail configuration. Then one day I was out on the bay and was sitting quietly just enjoying the wind and I started listening to all the sailboats going by, and that's when I figured it out. There are a huge number of "sailors" out there who run their engine all the damn time, or at least whenever the wind isn't strong enough to get them to their destination at hull speed. I think some "sailors" just raise sails for show, and I'm sure motoring your sailboat around uses a lot of fuel.
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For me, as a cruising liveaboard, I find I do much more motoring than I had anticipated. Particularly, since everywhere I seem to go, it's dead into the wind. There is though, running the motor for battery charging (motor-sailing if the wind cooperates), having to reach an anchorage or marina, or having to navigate a narrow channel. Running the ICW will definitely result in a lot of motor hours, there's just no way around it.

That said, there's still those great days when you can raise the sails and get where you want to go, that make up for the motoring. Not to mention, if something does go wrong with the engine, you still have sails.

If all I was going to do was go up and down the ICW .... and could afford the fuel, I'd have a trawler. As CD points out, much more space, and the knot or two in speed, does make a difference. As it is though, I just try to stay offshore as much as possible, where the chances for sailing are much better.

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It really depends a lot on how and where you sail. The Chesapeake has light and fluky winds a lot of the time... Buzzards Bay does not... If you're tranisiting the ICW a lot, then motoring will be a common thing for you, but if you're on the open seas, sailing the trade wind routes... properly planned, you can minimize motoring. How else could the Pardeys and others without an engine have so many miles pass under their keels.


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That's because you have offended the weather gods... or haven't consulted the pilot charts closely enough.

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I don't see a typo? What you said is what I said.
The Albin is another good example of semi disp, I only chose 2 for brevity.
The stabilizers will cost you at least a half know of speed and a fair amount of fuel consumption.

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Your Ontario 32 must get at least 10 to 15 mpg. Significantly better than even a smaller trawler.

I gave up on trawlers when fuel went to $2.50. I'll be buying a bigger LOA to get similar space and pay for that when I haul, dock, paint. The biggest negative is that I'll have a draft of 5'6" and for the ICW, Cheasapeake & Bahamas that's limiting vs. a 3' 6" draft. The next biggest limit is the mast which will have a hard time going up the Erie canal with 17' air draft! So I'll have more expenses of unstepping & restepping.

I know a guy that took an old Morgan and cut the mast down to only use it as a derrick & cut 2' off the keel and built a very economical 'trawler'. I'm not up for that. I wonder when one of the sailboat manufacturers will try something like that? When fuel gets to $5/gallon & a lot of old sailors don't want to mess with sails & rigging anymore...
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OHHHH My!!!! Jaysus, Mary, and Joseph, the Saints and Our Lady Of Fatima!!!!!!!! (All together at least 4 times)........

SOMEONE PLEASE CALL AN EXORCIST.......QUICK......BEFORE CD'S HEAD STARTS SPINNING AROUND AND HE VOMITS GREEN STUFF ALL OVER HIS BED ROOM.....CD DROP THE CRUXIFIX NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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