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First, I am a photographer, second I am a sailor, third the 2 rarely cross other than snapshots. When I go out on the water I want to relax and not work, but that's just me.

My best advice is to stay away from gimmicks, so, no blimps, no kites, and mast high rigs, not yet. Instead, concentrate on QUALITY photography. Work within your means. It is too easy to think, "To get better photos I need to buy X camera gear". When the truth is to get better photos you need to practice. Photography is a craft. The key is to make the camera an extension of your mind's eye AND to know your subject. So you need to be able see the photo before it happens.
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This reminds me a lot of when I used to sell camera equipment in college. People would go and buy the top of the line Hassy, Leica, Canon or Nikon equipment and then come back whining that their photos hadn't improved...

One of the photographers I used to print for did much of his work with a 1960's era Diana... held together with tape. The photos he took with this $15 camera were phenomenal, and proof, at least to me, that expensive equipment had little to do with good photography in many ways. His prints of these photographs sold for thousands of dollars.

Yes, a good camera can help you in terms of making it easier to control exposure, but I agree that if the photograph isn't seen in the photographer's mind before he picks up the camera...the most expensive camera won't help.

The other thing that I used to find really ridiculous... is these same guys would often spend $2000 on the camera body, and then cheap out on the glass. They didn't seem to realize that the glass is what makes the image. IMHO, they would have been better off getting a very reliable and less expensive camera body, and spend the real money on the glass. Good lenses are going to be key to getting good images of sailboats. Most of the time you're going to need some big glass to get good images of sailboats due to the distances involved. The fact that you're most likely going to be shooting from a boat, means you need fast glass... that takes money.



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My best advice is to stay away from gimmicks, so, no blimps, no kites, and mast high rigs, not yet. Instead, concentrate on QUALITY photography. Work within your means. It is too easy to think, "To get better photos I need to buy X camera gear". When the truth is to get better photos you need to practice. Photography is a craft. The key is to make the camera an extension of your mind's eye AND to know your subject. So you need to be able see the photo before it happens.
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In some ways, the Canon equipment had surpassed the Nikon equipment...
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One of the photographers I used to print for did much of his work with a 1960's era Diana... held together with tape. The photos he took with this $15 camera were phenomenal, and proof, at least to me, that expensive equipment had little to do with good photography in many ways. His prints of these photographs sold for thousands of dollars.
I love the feel you can get from some of those old cameras. Going down to the local used camera store and picking something up that hasn't been used in 20-30 years is always fun. Besides, having a living room full of shiny old cameras just looks great. Especially when you have prints from all of them.

I almost felt bad about repairing a light leak on an old twin lens medium format. The hazing added something completely uncapturable with modern equipment.
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In some ways, the Canon equipment had surpassed the Nikon equipment, but the D2X, D200 and D80 brought Nikon back into parity for the most part.
I think the difference though minor is the sensor, Canon and CMOS seem sharper and more vibrant, than nikon and the CCD sensor, plus their AF seemed a little more snappy than nikons, but Nikon is coming around to CMOS on their (2) top end cameras, so won't be long before it trickles down the line.

Now they really need to work on that AF snap
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I did say had... BTW, I'm not switching to Canon anytime soon... been using Nikon way too long to do that. Started on a Nikkormat FT2 and a F... and owned and used at least a dozen since then.
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I think the difference though minor is the sensor, Canon and CMOS seem sharper and more vibrant, than nikon and the CCD sensor
Not to mention CMOS tends to be far less grainy then CCD. But I am a bit confused - I have always found Canon to be very "cool" on the colors, and Nikon to be much more saturated. Which Canon would you say is more vibrant then a Nikon?
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I think that's far more a function of the software that you use to interpret the RAW files, than a function of the camera or glass itself.

I've owned or used Canon, Pentax, Olympus, Nikon, Yashica, Mamiya and Leica film equipment for small and medium format, and Nikon, Canon, Pentax and Olympus digital equipment. Most of the color and saturation differences weren't all that noticeable between film-based equipment, but in digital, the differences are much more noticeable, and much of it is because of the software used.

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Going by the above... Practice, practice and practice.
Oh! From personnel experience; I've found to my disappointment that expensive cameras and the sea don't always mix. The camera losing out every time. So use that throw-away until your style of photos take on the luster of excellence. Then the higher quality of cameras will add to you eye.
Right now I have an Olympus SP-550. It is a digital camera.

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One major advantage of the DSLRs over the Point-and-shoot type cameras is the fact that DSLRs can have much longer lenses and tend to have much shorter shutter delays, making it much easier to get the photo you intended. Shutter lag on some of the smaller PnS cameras really blows.

For anyone serious about using a DSLR on a boat, you might want to look into getting a Kata weather cover for it. While not a waterproof housing, they're pretty good at helping keep the DSLR from dying as quickly.
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