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Knockdowns don't always happen in bad weather. I was sailing in the New River inlet in North Carolina. I was headed back to my Marina after a trip from up near Emerald Isle. I was in a 24' Neptune with a 3' draft. Winds were 15 knots and fairly steady. I had full sail up cruising along at about 5 knots boat speed. There are a couple places where there are points of land sticking out about 100 yards. I'd been in and out of that inlet probably 50 times and never had trouble. However, on this day, I passed one of the points and the wind gusted and knocked me fully down. The main started to scoop water, I popped it loose and the boat instantly righted itself giving me and the young lady I was with a shower. Other than letting the main loose, we both were hanging on to the lifelines as tightly as we could. We were not strapped in but did have our sailing life jackets on. The total time from up to down to back up-maybe 10 seconds. It happens fast. Up to down-1 or 2 seconds, then I grabbed the main line and let it loose and she just came right back up.

Everything that was loose inside was on the port side of the boat. There was no damage to any stuff inside. No water got into the cabin, but a little did get into the cockpit. I'm unsure whether this is because of laying on it's side or from the main and jib throwing all the water on us once she righted. You don't really have a lot of time to take a look around when you're on your side.

It was definitely a learning experience, but not one I'm eager to try again. Like Tonic, I think the seasoned sailor comment is a little goofy. I sailed every single day when I lived in North Carolina. I experienced a lot and would consider myself seasoned, but I could have gone all my lifetime without this experience.
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Knock down in the Atlantic

Knockdowns don't always happen in bad weather. I was sailing in the New River inlet in North Carolina. I was headed back to my Marina after a trip from up near Emerald Isle. I was in a 24' Neptune with a 3' draft. Winds were 15 knots and fairly steady. I had full sail up cruising along at about 5 knots boat speed. There are a couple places where there are points of land sticking out about 100 yards. I'd been in and out of that inlet probably 50 times and never had trouble. However, on this day, I passed one of the points and the wind gusted and knocked me fully down. The main started to scoop water, I popped it loose and the boat instantly righted itself giving me and the young lady I was with a shower. Other than letting the main loose, we both were hanging on to the lifelines as tightly as we could. We were not strapped in but did have our sailing life jackets on. The total time from up to down to back up-maybe 10 seconds. It happens fast. http://www.sailnet.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif Up to down-1 or 2 seconds, then I grabbed the main line and let it loose and she just came right back up.

Everything that was loose inside was on the port side of the boat. There was no damage to any stuff inside. The hatches were all battened down because on that particular vessel, they get in the way of sails when tacking. No water got into the cabin, but a little did get into the cockpit. I'm unsure whether this is because of laying on it's side or from the main and jib throwing all the water on us once she righted. You don't really have a lot of time to take a look around when you're on your side.

It was definitely a learning experience, but not one I'm eager to try again. Like Tonic, I think the seasoned sailor comment is a little goofy. I sailed every single day when I lived in North Carolina. I experienced a lot and would consider myself seasoned, but I could have gone all my lifetime without this experience.
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Here is my account....

Back in 1932, I was going around the world for the 5th time that week, in my 152 feet 6 mast triple keel Carbon Iron Kevlar 4 Hull Monohull Trimaran Cat, that time, I was crossing the Horn, in -30 ºF air, when the winds, blowing erratically from the East, at 92 knots and sometimes from the south at 102 knots, ice pellets were the size of Chevrolet cavaliers….. in seas that were at least, 78 feet high, and waves that were on top of each other, yep, that is how near they were in frequency, took me for a small ride...the sea was black, but the skies were blue…the clouds…were not there…..

That morning, after not sleeping for 200 days in a row, I brushed my teeth with haemorrhoid cream, and inserted visine in my butt, wearing nothing but a T-shirt a pair of flip flops and a wooden glove, so I was ready for the Horn….one more time….

I had crossed a tanker that was almost sinking and 5 life rafts form others that were attempting the impossible…but not me….I pushed forward….there I went…the cries of people saying “don’t go!!!!!”….”don’t go!!!!!”…I ignore them….after all I needed something to tell to the folks at sailnet….

At one instance, I was doing 45 knots boat over water speed, which was approximately 120 knots over the ground, when suddenly, my Starboard shrouds were immersed by a wave coming from Port side....that was not a knock down or a broach…no Sir…that was a “Knocroach”…it’s not having the rail in the water….it’s not having the shrouds wet….that was the real deal….I knew my time was coming…..my mast pointed straight down to the sea bed….the highest mast hit the coral banks 5 times, banging up and down, waking up a gigantic octopus that rolled his 10 legs (yes the famous Horn 10 legger octopus, a vicious killer)…..I realized the disarray in my socks drawer would take me a good 3 months to sort out….

The tool kit open and 200 screws were spilled on my boat’s floor….my paper plates, that I keep for MOB situations, broke in small pieces, due to the impact…..

Suddeenly, thru the thru hull huçll that I had left open, due to my own fault, I saw day light…..I managed to push my way thru the 200 screws, and the socks…and made it to the light….I put my mouth in the hole and took a fresh breath of air….after all I was under water for almost 25 minutes now….my lungs were exploding….

Suddenly, at almost the speed of sound…my keel that had retracted, when the boat was upside down after 5 rolls, miraculously won against the gravity and, went up into the sky…the boat straightened it self……

I could see all gear was on deck, including my dinghy sea ray 200 HP tender, that I had forgotten to tie….I was scared, afraid, but luckily only 3 of my boxer shorts were missing…I had washed them the day before, as I left South Africa, and left them to die in my lazy back mast furling lines…

Suddenly ….

My mast hit the water again, this time rolling over the bow….I saw the wave behind me…It was so big it dried the sea bed…., the hawk that had nested on the top of hit, went down, at least 300 feet under water....and the octopus ate it….bastard…

I was knocked down...my boat spun 4 times around the boa….the ropes were tangled, the shrouds collapsed, the sheets messed up, looked like a fisherman’s nest...in one occasion 3 tuna were caught in my sheets........I was holding tight to the tiller, that I use to row my boat…I had carved my nails in the wood…my legs hurt from the force….I held for dear life, so I stopped thinking for a while, decided to majke some bacon and a toast, I only had time to put butter one side....when I was eating it half way, another wave came from the bow...it washed me over...I has thrown out of my boat, my life came in front of my eyes, all the while I was hearing a holiwoodesque song...I am sure it was Celine Dion singing Titanic music....

Suddenly, a whale comes by me, and kicks me....I was back on my boat, all this time, I managed to get only my T-shirt wet....

I kept rolling and getting knocked down and broached 32 times more that morning….finally all has an end…and the winds bçlew a nice 60 knots 4 hours later, for only 50 minutes…so I hoisted all sails, and retured home….

That was scary…I have another story that is much worse than this….tell me if want to hear it….I don’t want people to think I am lying or exaggerating……really….

Does flipping an Optimist count as a broach or knockdown??? My son is very experienced….did that many times….
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sounds like a scary experience. Here is a nice link to Yachting Monthly where they test and video different disaster scenarios. I found it interesting and educational.

Crash Test Boat videos | Specials | Yachting Monthly
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I had my first knockdown in the Marlbourough Sounds on the South Island of New Zealand a few years back. One minute we were gliding along then boom, a 50 + knot gust came down on us. Full sails up etc. No signs of bad weather, sun shining etc. Broke my lee cloths, filled the cockpit with water etc, a few hairy moments before getting the main sheet loose, this on a 14 ton, full keel cruising boat. Some really fierce katabatic winds in here. My friends told me later that the area we were sailing in is known as "what a mongrel bay". I always expected a knockdown to happen in heavy seas, big winds off shore...you just never know. Another day in the life as an offshore sailor.
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Hi one and all,
I'm new here, and have just come accross this thread "Knockdowns", and thought that maybe my experience of an "Eskimo Roll" in the N.Atlantic would fit in.
Sailing in a 30ft, Murena from Bermuda to the Azores. We had 300 miles to go when we got cought in a cross sea and 9Bft, a very angry, frothing white wave (15 ft ) sounding like an express freight train hit us broadside and the world turned upside down. I was underdeck as it happened, the hinged hatch (stupid design ) opened up, the boards were washed into the boat with an awfull lot of cold, green sea water. " Oh ****, and now."
Nothing to do but wait and see. After some minutes I heard the freight train heading down on us once again, it hit us with full force and the world was the right way up, only the mast was now pointing in the wrong direction. To cut along story short, we were picked up by a container ship and taken to Canada.
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Giulietta - Pardon my being a newbie to sailing, but with your experience, do you think a real bluewater boat would be my best choice for a new boat?
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Giulietta was taking the mick. He is no longer involved here. He could not anyway advise not knowing you or the circumstances except that your asking suggests the answer is no, almost certainly so as a newbie. There are many threads on choosig a boat to search.
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Giulietta - Pardon my being a newbie to sailing, but with your experience, do you think a real bluewater boat would be my best choice for a new boat?
Boats that are designed and built to serve a specific purpose, such as racing or bluewater sailing, are configured so that they serve that particular purpose well, but they wouldn't necessarily serve a newbie well. A bluewater boat is designed to sail in a straight line for many hours or even days, and to sail in strong trade winds. Sometimes they can be difficult to tack, and they can be very frustrating to sail in moderate to light air. A racing boat, by comparison, can be tender, have complex sail shaping mechanisms, and be difficult to sail in stronger winds and choppier seas.

I would recommend a coastal cruiser for a first boat, because it is likely to be more stable than a racer, while being a more lively and responsive performer than a bluewater boat. It's more versatile, and a good compromise. A general purpose boat will be easier to learn on and will be more enjoyable for you. After your skills have developed, you'll be better able to deal with the challenges of a more purpose-built boat.

That is not to say, of course, that you can't learn on a bluewater or racing boat. A general purpose boat will just be easier.

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Chris and Sailormon....sheesh...it was meant as a joke.
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