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Whether having guns on board would have helped against heavily armed gansters is debatable.
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After the fact, sure, you can say they couldnt have been worse off if they had a gun. But before the fact you never know - shooting at someone who is already pointing a gun at you isnt always the best way to come out of a situation in good shape - It may not be macho, but just forking over the money and electronics might well be the smarter thing to do.

And yes, I own lots of guns but mostly use them to shoot deer, geese and clay pigeons.
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The onlything is the brown bear up here ..seven footers on some of the islands . 45 230 grain hollow just in case . two clips ready !

I like to explore way in the out back mountains and havent been bothered yet ..been charged a few times ...I m a guest in their land and respect that.
I would nt mind having a brown blanket to keep me warm on the cold nights be worth the time curing the hide .

People are sometimes the trouble in the third world areas .. you are rich in their eyes . Dont know how to take that.
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A flare gun is one shot. A spear gun is one shot. What do you do about the other three thieves? Play dead? I don't think that would work. The best firearm would be a short barreled shotgun. Not a sawed off shotgun, they are illegal and will land you in prison, not just jail. Read some articles on tactical weaponry. I have read some articles by this guy.
Massad ayoob, lethal force institute, ammunition sales, handgun ammunition, tactical gear
He is tops in self-defense. I think he would talk about the foolishness of using a flaregun or a speargun to scare off four or five thugs. A pistol is not good in trying to prevent a robbery. The assailant is right on top of you. Unless you have practiced extensively and can maintain calm to line your shot up, your dead. Better to just point and pull the trigger (short barreled shotgun). As well, as silly as the english bulldog may be (no more silly than my cockapoo's) a dog is a really good advance warning that something is not right. My dogs can hear anything. When the dog barks, you may not have to fire a shot. Hopefully the thieves will run. But if they don't, its good to know that I can fill up the thieves up with #2 shot.
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Birdman,
Whether having guns on board would have helped against heavily armed gansters is debatable. I agree with you. But the article did not say anything about the thieves being heavily armed. They had machetes. You know, long knives. They thing that is not debatable is what would have happened to the thieves once I took the safety off and squeezed. Do I sound trigger happy? Do I sound like a gun nut? Presently, I don't even own a firearm. I am not trigger happy. But I would not hesitate to take the life of a person that I knew wanted to cause myself, my loved ones, or even you Birdman, physical harm. Lets hope that if you are ever put in the position to have to defend yourself, you'll have the weapon and the desire to take care of yourself.

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One of the practical problems everyone always neglects to mention is this: In most countries you have to hand in your firearms when you check in. So, in the absolute majority of situations where boardings occur, you will not be in possession of your firearms anyway. Then add up the hassles of all of that, plus the practicalities of retrieving them from the same port where they were handed in and where does that leave your cruising itinerary? I have no personal experience of this though so it will be interesting to hear from someone who does in fact, travel with firearms and this is crucial - do so legally; thus declare them in each and every port. Is it in fact practical and possible to cruise with firearms?

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You can make your own shot shells ..glass ,shreded metal ..cut the barrel down to legal ..scatter gun !

Will you stay calm to solve the issue ? can you live with the resaults ?
Look at the first time with cpr and how your mind forgets everything you were trained to do .minutes are hours so it seems at first untill the mind gets imprinted and time slows down.

What country will let you defend yourself ? I live in a state in the USA that allows it s citzen to carry with your drivers licence...except state and fed buildings or schools .

I try to keep my pistol skill 50 yds in three inch and the 300 win mag at 300 yards thats my goal and most of the time it stays on ..to say and to take aim at another ...........eaiser said.
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I carry a small assortment of arms for the same reasons as Danny33. That, and it is legal to shoot deer from a boat as long as the engine isn't on

I don't really like having guns aboard. They are awkward to carry and they rust (even the stainless models). Ammo must be kept dry and clean. They are just another thing you have to watch out for that maybe you might possible get a chance to use once in 100 lifetimes to shoot a bad guy. I think there are enough, more significant and far more likely risks to guard against. The exception is places like Alaska where you really do need a firearm. The one time I didn't take my revolver we caught a 270lb halibut. Took a couple hours for it to die and it could have done real damage to the boat. We got lucky with that one. A shot through the brain would have made things a lot quicker!
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Nobody has yet answered the question whether it is possible/practical to cruise with firearms. With cruise I mean Caribbean, Pacific or world cruising, NOT playing in your USA backyard.
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