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Is it possible yes, is it practical, no.

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I think the thing is the discussion gets bogged down in some ways with "should you or shouldn't you", whereas we forget how it will impact the rest of the cruise. Given that as far as I know you usually have to hand over the weapons, it then means you have to return to the same port when you want to check out of the country again. Very often that will mean going back against the weather. Or it may mean you cannot cruise the coast since you cannot or do not want to go back. Not declaring the weapons is not an option for any sane person, given the potential consequences. So where does that leave the debate? In my opinion it isn't really practical, and therefore not possible, to enjoy the cruising life with firearms aboard. When cruising in the US and being a US citizen, sure, I assume it is, but then again, you don't need it. If you argue you really need firearms when cruising in the US, I think you really rather need a psychologist.

Again, I'd love to hear from someone who successfully and legally (this is key) cruise the world with firearms and to tell us how that impacts the practicality of the cruise.
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Alex Dorsey from Project BlueSphere - A solo circumnavigation & video documentation of the globe. claimed to have cruised with guns aboard. He went through the Caribbean and Panama with them. I haven't read his logs enough to find out if he declared them or not. Go to his website and send him an e-mail. He seems like a nice enough guy to be inclined to answer a few questions.

As of should you or shouldn't you. No. Even cruising in "our USA backyard" no. Canada is horrible about letting guns through. Heck, they don't even let you bring mace or pepper spray. A lot of counties have a ban on "military ammunition" which pretty much means everything useful except .22LR. A lot of places judge your weapons on appearance too. An "assault rifle," whatever that is, is sure to draw a lot more attention that your grandpa's lever-action. Another useful site that has every cruisable county in the world's regulations is www.noonsite.com.
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I want a gun so I can sail to Cuba in safety, shoot a Rocna anchor, and adjust my solar stik without leaving the safety of the center cockpit of my full keeled Magregor 26X.

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Sorry Cam, Rocna's aren't in season, so you can't shoot them... and they didn't make a MacGregor 26X in a center cockpit version.

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Really?? I didn't know that...the salesman told me they did. Do you think he was lying about the full keel too? When does the Rocna season open...could I shoot the Bulwagga in the meantime? Can you direct me to the Cuban site where you got the information about the hunting season? I understand that Raul may be a bit more open minded about such things than Fidel.

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Hi Sailboy

It is my opinion that firearms are NOT the way to go but I wanted to make the point logically, rather than emotionally. And you're right about Canada. That's where I live and I'm very thankful about Canada's attitude about firearms. I'm an expat South African and can remember the days I used to pack a handgun even to go to the movie theater. Thank god I now don't even have to think about that anymore. I also just cruised through most of the Caribbean (FL to Grenada) and not ONCE did I even think of the need to have a gun on board. Remember Peter Blake and the reason he's dead?
Also, if one EVER kill someone you suspected of being a dangerous pirate and it turns out to be some poor fisherman who simply wanted to rob you, well these countries might just stick you in some hellhole and throw the key away.
The risks and potential benefits don't weigh up. The risk-reward ratio is clearly in favor of NOT packing.
That's my strong opinion anyway.

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And you're right about Canada. That's where I live and I'm very thankful about Canada's attitude about firearms. I'm an expat South African and can remember the days I used to pack a handgun even to go to the movie theater.
Interesting. Did you carry lawfully in South Africa?

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Really?? I didn't know that...the salesman told me they did. Do you think he was lying about the full keel too? When does the Rocna season open...could I shoot the Bulwagga in the meantime? Can you direct me to the Cuban site where you got the information about the hunting season? I understand that Raul may be a bit more open minded about such things than Fidel.

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Yes I did. It's a sad thing really, the need to try and feel safe by doing that. South Africa has changed a lot since I left fifteen years ago and I have no idea about current laws or the situation now. The point as far as cruising is concerned it is my opinion that the actual chance that firearms can help you, weighed against all the negatives doesn't make it a logical proposition. Not where most of us will be cruising anyway. Better to try and avoid places where the risks are elevated of running into a dangerous situation than thinking you'll be able to defend yourself because you're armed. The fact is the baddies might either be simply very poor people being opportunistic, or on the other extreme, hardened well armed criminals. How are you going to make the judgement? If the former and you kill anyone, you're screwed. If the latter and you pull your piece, you're totally screwed (Peter Blake again). Both ways you'd have been better off being without and acting accordingly. Having firearms on board might possibly also cause so much hassle that you may be tempted to not report them, with disastrous consequenses for yourself.
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