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A .50 cal machine gun is a much more effective weapon on a pitching deck. A sniper rifle does get you the range, but in this case, the accuracy would be hard to come by on a boat, even a tanker. I shoot matches that range from 600-1000 yards with a .30 cal precision rifle. Hitting your target is a lot harder than point n' shoot. Better to spray n' pray in this case.
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there is a reason they give the coast guard shotguns and not rifles
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Tankers travel at 15-17 knots on average with some being slower, none faster. Loaded tankers have a low freeboard making boarding relatively easy whether welcome or unwelcome. Vessels used for piracy, or smuggling for that matter, are generally small and very fast. Both of which makes them not only difficult to find but difficult to engage successfully. It's a big ocean. Solution? Convoys or armed naval detachments on board the merchant ships. Where is the UN?
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Tankers travel at 15-17 knots on average with some being slower, none faster.
Even at 15 knots, they keep that up in a seaway for a long time. A small fast boat at 15 knots in the same seaway is an uncomfortable place and they can't chase for long. So maybe it was flat calm, but more likely, the tanker was tricked into slowing down.

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Loaded tankers have a low freeboard making boarding relatively easy whether welcome or unwelcome.
How many feet is that for this tanker? It's still a wall of steel. So you throw up a grappling iron and climb a rope. Neat trick and brave pirate. More likely, they got the pilot's ladder lowered.

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Vessels used for piracy, or smuggling for that matter, are generally small and very fast.
And have very little range, so there's a mother ship out there.

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Both of which makes them not only difficult to find but difficult to engage successfully. It's a big ocean. Solution? Convoys or armed naval detachments on board the merchant ships.
I hear the US navy is recommending that the shippers hire security guards.

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Where is the UN?
In this case its maritime organisation, the IMO, they are coordinating Naval contributions. See:-

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there is a reason they give the coast guard shotguns and not rifles
Combat shot guns are highly inaccurate and have a very short range in comparison to a rifle round. You'd have to pay me pretty well to gaurd an entire ship. Something like a small team 24/7, outfit with small arms, gear, comms, can get pricey, but so is losing an entire shipment of oil.
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I actually was at a bond offering roadshow for an oil shipping company. I asked the company president about piracy risks for his large oil carrying ships. He said 'they are too fast and big' and that pirates couldn't realistically get aboard given the height off the water level. Clearly they can!

Now, would a pirate actually be insane enough to shoot an rpg at a fully loaded supertanker? I would like to think no. The ****storm of global attention that would bring to the issue would definitely put them out of business. So with that in mind, just give guys on deck shot guns and tell them don't slow down for anybody. Shotguns would be very effective against anyone crazy enough to buy climbing up a rope on the side of one of these ships. You don't need to kill them, just fill em with some buckshot. They would give up this idea pretty quick.

I do like the idea of the predator drones as well. High rez cameras and seeing 8 dudes on a 'fishing' boat with no nets and guns = sink and forget.
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and the 25 crewmembers of the tanker?
Hope they get off of it.
Colateral damage,Same as in any war.If you want to risk your men you can try to pick them up out of the water.Eather way your going to be the badguy.But the problem would be solved.Or we can talk and pay.Talk and pay.

Seriously think these Pirates picked the wrong ship this time.Dont mess with the Roality.Your family will probably disapear.

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don't slow down for anybody.
This works out great, until someone calls Mayday on channel 16.
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